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 »  Home  »  Tech Help  »  Uncrating and Assembling a Tank Touring Deluxe 150
Uncrating and Assembling a Tank Touring Deluxe 150
By John Ebberts | Published  10/4/2006 | Tech Help | Rating:
Uncrating and Assembling a Tank Touring Deluxe 150

Hi, it's me, John, I'm going to tell you what its like to uncrate and set up a Tank Touring Deluxe 150

 

First of all it came in a very large truck!

 

The crate is extremely heavy it was all the delivery guy and I could do to get it up my driveway and into my garage. When you get yours I suggest you put it where youâ?™re going to set it up because itâ?™s very hard to move alone. I had to move it out of my garage before I could uncrate it. There is just no room in my little 1 car garage full of junk.

After work I had a friend come over to assemble it with me (more like for me) while I held things and took the photos. Once you pull away the cardboard you see the inner steel shipping crate. It looks like the entire thing is in a giant plastic bag. The front wheel is wired to the frame of the crate, the trunk, fender; windshield is wrapped in plastic lying on top. The mirrors and battery are under the seat.

As you will see in the next set of photos the front fork is attached to the crate frame with the axle you need to hold the wheel on. The back of the bike is held with heavy wire from the rear axle to the frame on both sides. All you have to do is unbolt the frame starting with the top, and then remove the side frame bars. What you end up with is the bike sitting just on the bottom of the crate. It is attached by the fork in the front and the wires on both sides of the axle in the back.

 

the wheel was just wired to the frame of the crate.

 

 

 

Pardon my friend Georgeâ?™s buttâ??â??â??â??â??

 

Anyway once the frame is out of the way you remove the axle from the front crate support so that the bike is just held in place by the rear cables and you lift it up and put a milk crate under it to start assembling the fender and wheel. It should have enough slack in the cables to lift it up high enough to do this... mine did. It took 2 of us to do this, George lifting and me placing the milk crate.

At this time he installed the fender. Simple - just 4 bolts. Wide side up. The tricky part of the wheel assembly is getting the speedometer and the caliper lined up to slide the axle through. With 2 of us it wasnâ?™t too hard, just make sure the spacer on the right side doesnâ?™t fall out when youâ?™re trying to slide the axle in like it did to us, we had it perfect the first time but then plop out came the spacer and we had to pull the wheel back off to put the spacer back in. really not to bad, only took a few minutes. Itâ?™s really just common sense.

 

As I know you all have heard the owners manual is not even worth looking at itâ?™s so bad. But if you like pictures its good bathroom reading material!!........lol

Ok now comes the tricky part and I would not want to try this alone. Almost is a requirement that you have 2 people; you lift the bike up remove the milk crate (or whatever similar item you have stuffed under it in the front and lower it to the side of the bracket it was mounted to, then while one person holds it steady the other person goes to the back of the bike and cuts or untwists the wire holding the bike in place. Then carefully push the bike forward and off the crate. Placing the main stand down so it doesnâ?™t lean while you put everything else on. (thatâ?™s my neighbor Jim) whoâ?™s comments kept us laughing.

At this time we kind of cleaned up the giant mess we now had and continued to assemble the bike. My friend George decided to start at the rear and work forward so we started with the trunk.  Also somewhere in all this you need to fill the battery with acid. Itâ?™s simple, it comes with a 6 port funnel fits in the battery and 6 little plastic bottles of acid all connected together, all you do is place the funnel (with puncture posts facing up) and position the acid containers over it (carefully to make sure each little bottle is over the puncture things) you will see what I mean, and push them down until they seatâ??. Itâ?™s actually kind of cool all the acid goes in with no problem. Also no factory instructions.

Anyway we then started to install the trunk. Basically itâ?™s simple it has 2 metal bars that come with it - they go under the rack on the back and bolts go through the trunk past the rack and into the metal bars, place nut, center and tighten. All the parts are located in the trunk itself along with the trunk keys.

Then we decided to install the windshield, to get to the windshield bolts that are already in their mounting holes, you have to remove the top small section of the front cowling. It has 4 screws holding it on then carefully unsnap the panel and set it aside.

Then you can install the windshield. It has 5 bolts that hold it in place tighten these evenly!!! I was scared that George would crack the windshield but it went ok. No washers or anything to protect it from the bolts; just bolts on plastic! You can see in the next photo the bolts Iâ?™m talking about and the mirror wires sticking up. They need to be pushed down out of the way when you do the mirrors and there next. Install them before you reinstall the small piece of cowling you removed in the front this way you can get to the wires easily. The mirrors are simple, but I donâ?™t like the way there designed. All you do is place the rubber boot on the base of the mirror, then place the Allen bolt in from the top, place the spacer on the bolt, and screw it on. Of course connecting the wires. What I donâ?™t like about the mirror set up is they vibrate a lot and they actually partially block the brake master cylinder caps. I will probably have to remove the mirror to add fluid in the future if needed.

 

While the cover is off also look at the wire connections make sure everything is tight.

 

 

Then re install the cowling and your almost done with the installationâ?? but not finished yet!.

 

 

Next we installed the battery that was charging the whole time. Pretty simple, 2 red wires and a green one. The 2 red are hot and green ground. Placing the battery cover on it and I tried the key and the radio came on. So far so good. I got the gas can and poured in about 2 gallons and tried to start it, it was turning over but it sounded like it wasnâ?™t getting gas.

I kept it up until the battery was starting to get low, and then I smelled gas. I just figured I had flooded it trying to start it but when I stepped off it I saw a 3 foot round puddle of gas under itâ?? shit! I was really worried nowâ?? until I remembered seeing someone on the scooterbbs say they had to connect there fuel line because it leaked. So we took off the engine cover under the seat and started looking around and sure enough, there was a port on the side of the carb that looked like it needed a hose on it, and then we spotted the fuel line just hanging there. It took us about 20 minutes of fowl language and complaint to finally get it back on. It seems Chinese fingers are a lot smaller than our American ones, boy did we have a hard time getting in there to attach it â??â??â??.lol.  My guess is that when they test it out they use an outside source of gas (canâ?™t ship once itâ?™s been fueled) to test them and forgot to reattach the gas line.

 

Anyway, the moment of truth, I hit the starter and after a moment it fired. I gave it a little gas and it stalled. My friend George laughed at me and said let it warm up a minute so I did then it wound up ok. It was idling low so we turned up the idle screw (right next to the carb) its very easy to see and the lights stopped flickering and it smoothed out.

It runs GREAT!  This entire procedure took us 3 hours. I think we did pretty well.

 

 

All in all I think its just common sense that you need to assemble one (and a friend thatâ?™s a shade tree mechanic) honestly I think anyone with a helper can set one up.

 

I rode it up and down the street last night and again today, it has a nice feel, good balance, and at night its lights are definitely going to be seen. Iâ?™m in love. The biggest thing I was surprised about the whole thing is the size of this bike, ITS HUGE! A whole lot bigger than I thought it was going to be.

Also I just wanted to say im a very happy man, the wait was worth it. Iâ?™ve had it up to 45 for a few min keeping in mind the break in but I canâ?™t seem to find anything wrong with it!!!!!!!!  Itâ?™s a nice bike well worth more than weâ?™re getting them for.  Itâ?™s a lot of bike for the money.  I will be in touch and any of you that have more questions can email me at jebberts@cfl.rr.com

 

Next after I get it legal and start really scooting around on it I will let you know what I think about it

 

Good luck on yours

 

JOHN (bbj500)

 


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  • Comment #1 (Posted by JP)
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    does it have brake lights and turn signals in the back. im just wondering if it has everything it needs to pass inspection also how long of a wait for the certificate of origin
     
  • Comment #2 (Posted by bbj500)
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    if you look at the above photos you can see all the lights yes there are lots of lights turning sig. running liteshigh beams. everything you need to be legal.
    it had been 4 working days since i recieved the bike and i expect to get the title (cert of orign) tomorow
     
  • Comment #3 (Posted by Glen Beyke)
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    John it sure is a big help to see what your are going to get when purchased on the internet! You did a great job!


     
  • Comment #4 (Posted by John)
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    thanks im just trying to help out all of us that bought them sight unseen
     
  • Comment #5 (Posted by jim)
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    John thanks for the great write-up and the pics. That will really help me when I get mine in a few weeks. One question and please forgive me if this is a stupid noob question but you said the battery was charging. What exactly did you mean by this Am I gonna have to get a battery charger Thanks again.
    Jim
     
  • Comment #6 (Posted by bbj500)
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    no the charger doesnt come with it when i put the acid in it it charged some by itself some but i put it on a battery charger to top it off. i had it chargeing the whole time we were putting the bike together.
     
  • Comment #7 (Posted by Mike)
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    Thanks for your write up. I am new to scooters and was looking at one as an alternative to the high gas. Based on reading your article I am seriously looking at buying one for my wife and myself.
     
  • Comment #8 (Posted by Terry Prater)
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    It was nice reading about your new scooter and the assm. I just hope to be putting mine together one day I ordered it three weeks ago and so far no shipping. Anyway thanks for the nice read.
     
  • Comment #9 (Posted by bbj500)
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    all things come to those who wait!
    it seemed like a year till i was on mine well worth the wait in my opinion
    i love my bike
     
  • Comment #10 (Posted by Jim)
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    Awesome picture tour on how to assemble

    2 questions. Any special mixing on gas or just straight from the pump

    Odometer Tripometer

    Any new updates on your Tank Touring 150 drooling for more feedback on your bike. :-)
     
  • Comment #11 (Posted by John)
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    thanks i enjoyed doing it. just trying to be helpfull. when o bought mine there was no..i meen NO info out there about getting a bike in a box....lol

     
  • Comment #12 (Posted by Andrea)
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    Hey thanks for your info. I have been waiting impatiently for my Deluxe 150 to arrive. I certainly appreciate your insight because I actually thought that I would assemble it solo...oh no no. I will be calling on my mechanic buddy to join in the fun. Enjoy your scooter and keep us updated. I believe an ever more necessary alternative means of transportation corner has been turned. It is now more affordable/practical and again 'hip' to explore the urban and suburban roadways...and a scooter is leading the way.
     
  • Comment #13 (Posted by SHARON)
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    JUST WANTED TO SAY THANKS FOR INFO.I ACTUALLY PURCHASED THE TANK SPORT INSTEAD OF TOURING BUT AFTER READING THE THREADSi MIGHT HAVE TO GET THE TOURING AS WELL. ANYWAY GOT MY SCOOT ON TUES. RIDING TODAY WEDNESDAY SO FAR SO GOOD. i FIND IT AMAZING THAT MORE INFO. IS NOT PROVIDED FOR ASSEMBLY CONSIDERING THE AMOUNT OF UNITS THAT R MOVED.GREAT SITE CAN'T WAIT TO GET TITLE TO REALLY DO SOME RIDING.
     
  • Comment #14 (Posted by Andrea)
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    It arrived today! My Deluxe 150cc...my sleepless nights are over. Big box...big scooter. I bought my scooter from Extreme Scooters...it arrived quickly...within a week great price and Dave was very helpful every step of the way. I won't mention the first dealer I had to cancel with due to broken promises and excuses as to why my scooter had not been delivered after a month...

    Yes I was surprised at the size. I also tried to put it together solo...oh no...no. I certainly don't recommend that course. After a few hours solicting the muscles of strangers...then finally calling a friend to come help.

    I had a beautiful scooter that wouldn't start smelled of gas and a puddle of the same underneathe it...I didn't freak out. John had I not studied your..."how to"...I would have never known what that problem was...thank you. Hose connected and battery recharged problem fixed....it was time for a moonlight ramble...34 miles later...I am well satisfied...and I can't wait to share my scooter experience during the light of day...What was priceless was your info and a bit of the BNScooter's assembly guide.

    Folks I recommend printing both John's and Bns info and having them close by while you enjoy the assembly experience. I hate that winter is on its way...Nonetheless I still have some good riding weather before the first frost...

    Once again thanks...and continue writing about your experiences because your insight is not falling on deaf ears...but received with gratitude...Peace
     
  • Comment #15 (Posted by John(bbj500))
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    thank you for your kind comments. i did the report and comment 13 because there was no info on these bikes and i have seen the link to this report all over the web. i see its a big hit......lol im glad.
    i now have over 700 miles on mine have changed the oil 2 times the rear gear lube once and changed the plug. the bike actualy runs better as time goes on.
    dont forget to visit the tank users group on jacarmotorsports its a bbs for tank users alot of questions answered in there and a place to post photos of your bikes.
    Good luck with yours. if i can help in any way feel free to email me and i will try my best to help
    JOHN
     
  • Comment #16 (Posted by Jay Wren)
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    I just recieved my scooter and need to put it together. I'm not the greatest at this stuff. The manual is hilarious! They screw up the english language pretty good! LOL

    I see the radio but where are the speakers Is there a headphone plug in

    Thanks
    Jay
     
  • Comment #17 (Posted by Bob Roberson)
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    Yep. I bought a Tank Tourer 150.......
    I love it and I haven't ridden it but about 20 feet. (later )
    I received my scoot and fortunately the driver had a power pallet and we moved it up my driveway close to the house. Now you have to remember I closed my garage in when I had a bunch of houre apes and the garage is history. But I have a back screened in back porch ( who in Florida doesn't ).
    The weather was ok when I started what I consider the most difficult stage uncrating that critter. Well this being Florida it didn't take long for the weather to do a 180. Yep...........rain..........and lots of it.

    I threw a tarp over the thing and tried waiting it out. No way.......It was set in. So I dug out my old pancho and started uncrating it with earnest. Boy did they pack it good. I had a neighbor lady that saw me out there and tried to help me uncrate it. I finally told her to forget it and I soldiered on alone.
    The way they mounted the front end to the crate is great until you try to manuever it by yourself. And of course I had'nt read your article on "how to". I actually struggled with it sans wheel and finally got it off the crate. Then embarrassingly I had to grab a complete stranger off the street to slide the axle through the wheel and front forks while I held it up. duh.............
    That was so I could finally wheel it around to the back porch and out of the downpour.
    Everything went pretty well until I discovered the axle spacer was nowhere to be found. I assembled the front end anyway. But....... when I tried to put the disk into the calipers the linings fell out.
    That's where it is now. I'm awaiting arrival of the spacer and hoping that it doesn't take as long as the scooter delivery.

    In the meantime I went to apply for a tag. No bill of sale so I had to write Premium Scooters to fax it to me. That worked and I now have a tag but I'm 150 lighter.
    Dave Hornbeck of Premium Scooters has to be the most patient and helpful person I've ran across.

    I only hope I can figure the brake thing out.

    Too bad the scoot isn't roadable yet. I was going to have a blast going over to Main Street for
    "Biketoberfest". I live right in town.

    Anyway my short ride came when I wanted to see if it would actually run. It did and it started very easily. I didn't to charge the battery. Just put in the acid and by the time I had the scoot assembled it was ready to go.

    As any good craftsman I have parts left over. Two are puzzling. Two spacers about 1/2 long with about a 3/8 th inch. inner diameter.
    Everything seems to be just fine without it but I still wonder.
    The radio is an enigma. It works though it doesn't receive stations too well but I play oldies in the tape player and it's just fine. If you use good judgement and wear a helmet and are at speed the radio is probably worthless.

    Your assembly article is great. Just wish I had access to it before I started putting mine together.

    My only ride ( about 20 ft.) was just to move the scoot off the patio and back onto the back porch. I had only the rear brakes so I took it real easy.

    Being an old biker I look forward to two wheeling again. And I think the 150 looks great. I've been looking around town and there is nothing comparable in price and finish at any of the cycle shops.

    It's a great buy..............

     
  • Comment #18 (Posted by Sam)
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    John just wonder what kind of rear gear lube you use. I had mine for a week now and it's a blast to ride thank for the info here got me the idea to set it up coz the manual is useless.
     
  • Comment #19 (Posted by Mike)
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    I received the Tank 150. Thanks to your write-up I am putting it together. However I cannot find the rubber boot or Allen bolts for connecting the mirrors. Where did you find yours
     
  • Comment #20 (Posted by scott)
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    I purchased a Tank 150 Urban Racer and was glad to see a site like this one. It helped me with some of the issues I had. The only problem I am having is getting it to idle good. I did turn the mixture screw but it sometimes makes a pop noise in the engine then dies. It will start back up after that. Any idea's
     
  • Comment #21 (Posted by Glen)
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    Thanks to your help on showing what you get I picked up my new Touring in Wichita with my truck on Oct. 18th in the crate. I just love it! Had no assembly problems at all as that was fun too. Have about 500 miles on it but to much snow to ride now.
     
  • Comment #22 (Posted by A Waiting Tanker)
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    Hey there John Thanks for the site - I like many others have ordered the Touring 150 Deluxe. Still waiting - Don't know how it will come. The online store said "delivered to your door"... LOL - I don't know how they'll get down my street with a Simi-Truck (Won't happen). Anyway how's the Tank through November I'll post again after delivery... Also Did you ever get the paper work

    RSF
     
  • Comment #23 (Posted by Hawker)
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    Got two Urban Touring 150's after about a month wait. Assembly was as John discribed. Took about three more weeks to get the certificate of origin needed to get a plate. Dealer separated the shipping charges from the bike so I didn't have to pay tax on that.

    One bike has been just fine. About 400kmm and running problem free. Pulled the radio as I needed the space and you can't hear it with a full helmet anyway. Also got tired of the alarm system and pulled that too. (keys in my pocket hit the remote buttons and shut the thing down in heavy traffic then I have to figure out what's wrong before I can get it to restart. Impatient 18 wheeler behind was not real understanding)

    2nd bike has not been so good. Arrived with a drained front brake system due to a leaking brake caliper. Pour fluid in and it just drips right out. Been trying to get a caliper out of TANK for over 6 weeks now with no success. Bad news is it seems when you unload the box it's yours whatever that may mean. I don't think there is such a thing as parts or warranty with these people.

    Too bad. The thing will fly and is really super on gas. Changed the drive fluid to Mobil 1 gear oil 75-90. Used Castrol 10W-30 for engine. Going to wait till I get to 1000KM before going Mobil 1 10W-40 for motorcycles (MT4W or something like that) Don't want to stop the break-in process too early as they seem to run so much better every time you run them at this stage.
     
  • Comment #24 (Posted by John Hooper)
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    I got a Tank touring and love it speedometer quit at 18 miles and unfortunately it was not the cable connection loose. I had checked them before taking it for a run. It a bit cold here so not getting to ride it a lot yet but used most a full tank of gas and that a few miles it just seems to run better every time I take it out.. I do have a bit of a warning for those that ride at night and areas that not well lit If the engine stalls the Headlights will shut off.
    See
    if the engine stops the headlights
    will quit! An item called AUTOMATIC VALVE
    is a switch guessing run by engine
    vacuum. Its design is not to put extra
    load on the battery while starting the
    bike via electric or kick starter. All in all
    a nice feature till the motor quits at high
    speed at night. What will happen is the
    headlights will GO OFF since the trans-
    mission not designed to keep the motor
    turning like a manual transmission would.
    Even a manual tranny the lights would go
    out soon as the clutch was depressed.
    Re-engaging the clutch when the engine
    is at zero RPM is a danger in itself! So at
    this point I am all sure we can see the Bad
    and the Ugly. So what is the Good The
    momentary High Beams is not on this circuit.
    So pressing that switch down will give you
    back lights as long as it pressed. This is in
    no way ideal but it beats no light at all trying
    to get off the road in one piece. I don't personally like this feature I drove several bikes and never had one that engine shut down turned off the lights. Gold Wings that had the light on all the time had a switch built into the starter button that turned of the headlights momentarily so they would not take from the battery while starting the bike with the electric starter and personally is a much better design though it was no help when using the kick starter. Anyway something for you future and present Tank owners to keep in mind might try practicing stopping a Tank with the engine stalled .. but don't try and use the kill switch think it been Disabled too because of this feature. How I found this BTW I scanned in the wiring Diagram and was Redoing it and Have a nice Colored Wiring Diagram if any one interested it print nicely on Legal Size Paper in Landscape and will fold and fit in the manual Give me a email and I send you a gif or PSP version of it it also has the warning on it and with the wires all color coded it pretty easy to see why and how the headlights work that way. Matter a fact I knew it before I went out and tested it to see if I was right by making the diagram. Think you will like it if interested. Let me know if you want Gif or PSP format please.


     
  • Comment #25 (Posted by David B.)
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    Hi John:

    First thank for the photos nicely written story on setting up your scooter - very helpful to 'read see' it done and hear your views on the process product.

    I know you may get a million emails in response to your article so I'll try to keep it brief:

    How is your satisfaction with the product now 3 months or so later

    Have you been able to get any needed parts

    Have you heard any reports or tried the new model Touring 250 I assume it's party similar to your Touring 150

    I live in the rural country (near Interstates) in So Cal -shortly moving to East Texas- where traffic flows a bit fast for any smaller or less powerful machine. I also am only 2 hours from El Monte so I think I can get the bike in person.

    My only concern were a) how reliable are the Tank models in general Parts availability Any bugs worked out of the Touring 250 model

    Have you updated or written any new stories on your scoot or recent rides I surely do appreciate your time for any response you can give. If you've already addressed this in an article I'd be happy with simply getting back a link.

    Please be safe on that Scooter ! Auto drivers can miss you so easily....

    Best Regards David B Anza CA


    PS: I'm 42 and haven't been on a street bike in 20 years - I sold my Yamaha 750 Special after 2 car induced crashes 1 near miss - both times the driver said "I didn't see you !" - I'm hoping age will make me even more cautious now when I get a Maxi-Scooter !
     
  • Comment #26 (Posted by fred smail)
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    I enjoyed your article and pictures showing how to uncrate the 150 deluxe. I received my 150 last month and assembled it by myself. I am fairly strong and did not have any problems putting the front wheel on and moving it off the crate rail. I did have a problem with the Nevada DMV. When I took the Certificate of Ownership to the DMV here they said the mileage was in the wrong block and would not accept it. So I had Dave of Extreme Scooters send me an odometer statement but they would not accept that either because it was a copy not the original that they wanted. Anyway finally got all that straightened out but I did did have to pay 216.00 to the DMV because I had not paid any tax to the State of Georgia so the Nevada DMV said that I had to pay what it would have cost in taxes and registration if I had bought the scooter in Nevada. About the scooter itself I took the radio/cassette player out because I could not really hear it while riding. Later on I put it back in when I discovered that only one of the speakers in the dash was hooked up (hooked it up/both speakers work). I also drilled a bunch of small holes in area of the dash where the two speakers fit flush against the dash. This seems to have helped the sound and volume of the radio. This may not look like factory made but I believe that the holes are small enough that I won't have any problems with water getting into the speakers. I pulled the cowling headlight assembly off because the left headlight (looking from the seat forward the high beam bulb appears to be on the left side) is burned out. I will contact Dave of Extreme Scooters to find out what a new headlight bulb will cost. While I had that whole assembly off I saw that LED indicator (tells you if radio mounted dash knob is on or off) was just hanging there. I remember someone else's blog mentioning this same problem. The people that manufactured the scooter never bothered to drill a hole in the dash and install the LED. I have a bunch of drill bits so I just kept going up in size while drilling the same hole until I got right hole for the LED to fit perfectly. I only have about 150 miles on my scooter so I have been pretty much been keeping it below 30 mph (sometimes squirting up to 40 when traffic dictates it). Oh an annoying thing that I am experiencing is everytime I fill it up with gas and park it in my garage - the garage has a strong smell of gas for a couple of days. I am not having any gas puddles in the garage so this strong gas smell every time is kind of a mystery. I guess that the gas cap does not really seal the fuel tank system. I am also having the same problem with mirrors that I see everyone mentions . Another thing I don't like about the mirrors is that both of them seem to give a distorted view of objects behind (such as objects appearing much closer than they actually are). I will probably wind up getting some aftermarket mirrors or have some made. The turn signals being on the front of the mirrors is a nice touch but to me are not as important as being able to easily see behind me. So far I am happy with the scooter itself but I am not impressed with the manual or general lack of information about parts and support. I am looking forward to reading your future comments about your scooter!
     
  • Comment #27 (Posted by Larry Shealy)
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    I have a Touring 150 Deluxe 45 days old with just over 1000 miles. Has been running good until yesterday when at 50 mph it quite pulling. Engine runs fine but the transmission/clutch doesn't engage. Has anyone had a similar problem.
     
  • Comment #28 (Posted by Marquis)
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    QUESTIONS:
    1) Website says "made in Japan" however in the photo of your assembly it shows "made in China".
    2) These are from Extreme Scooters Dave There are complaints w/BBB about not resolved issues w/this company. Your experience here w/after the fact
    3) Website states price includes "free shipping and free assembly" however clearly it's not assembled. Many scooter come assembled with the only remaining item to be the front tire mirrors and gas/oil. Was the amount of assembly a surprise to you (Especially when it was sold w/FREE ASSEMBLY)
    4) How long did it take to get your scooter once your order was placed
    5) What are the provisions for warranty Have you dealt w/Extreme or Champion or whoever with warranty issues If so how did that go
    6) Have you been able to get your questions and calls answered in a timely fashion If not what kinds of challenges here
    7) Have you checked into having a local shop perform any repairs if and when needed If so what was their reaction to the scooter (China....)

    Having had the experience of owning a TN'G 125cc which is made in China and then assembled and sold in the states I found the customer service from that company not just not satisfactory but also the dealer which sold it wasn't able to locate parts etc... ON A SCOOTER ONLY 2 years old. I learned that most Chinese scooters are 'throw away' since you can't source replacement parts or have a local shop repair them. Having been able to perform most of my own mechanical repairs I still was left in a lurch when trying to get ANY replacement parts (from couplers right down to a replacement mirror! Not available)And it was said it was because they couldn't get them from China.

    Thank you for any and all help you can offer.
     
  • Comment #29 (Posted by David Lupo)
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    Well my sleepless nights are over. I got my scoot yesterday. I love it! It has a few minor issues that need to be resolved such as the one of the speakers is not working the red kill switch does not work and the alarm is very testy. The scoot came with all parts and was in very good condition was very simple to put together. I have had harder times putting together my childrens toys. Everyone that had seen the pics of the scoot and new I was getting it all had the same first reaction of being surprised at the size. They all said it was bigger than they had imagined. Infact I am unable to get it onto the center stand bymyself because of the size and weight. I understand that it isn't exactly made with the highest quality parts but I believe the engine and tranny will stand the test of time when taken well care of. I give the scoot an 8 out of 10 approval points. I love the scoot it looks and runs awsome!!!!
    P.S If bad grammer and poor use of the english language is your pet peeve don't open or read the owners manual throw it away with the big pile of trash you will have after uncreating the scooter.
     
  • Comment #30 (Posted by Jack Stanton)
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    Ordered my Tank 150 from JKScooters 2/1/06 and it arrived at my door in San Diego 2/6. I frankly could not put some of this together by myself (e.g. front wheel assembly). I was very fortunate to have a neighbor who used to be a motorcycle mechanic and he gladly helped with doing this.
    BTW I also found the fuel line disconnected - thanks for the tip! And I agree with everyone's assessment that there truly is no setup manual. At least perhaps I would know what the few leftover parts are for.
    After about 3 hours of assembly I took it around the hills where I live with a friend who has a Honda Elite CH150 and it kept right up with him.
    My only concern is the front lights. The "Passing" or what I would call hi-beam lights come on when I hold down the button but other than that I only see the two tiny lights on during normal operation (playing with the "Switch comp headlight" switch does nothing).
    Anyone else experience this
     
  • Comment #31 (Posted by Ernest Sill)
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    I purchased a Tank Touring 150 in December. After getting it put together I found the lights not working. I could hold on the high/low beam switch and see that the bulbs functioned. I also found that the engine is not producing electricity and storing it so that the bike and lights will properly function. Has anyone out there had this kind of problem If so what was the cause and what was the solution
     
  • Comment #32 (Posted by Jack Stanton)
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    Further information re: headlight problem. After taking the windshield/mirrors/front cowling off I discovered that there is no connector wire going to the light switch. I contacted JKScooters.com they promised to send the part.
    Meanwhile the battery which was only 3 days young died. Popped the top and saw there is no visible acid (Only a few of the cells were barely covered when I first set the battery up damn chintzy Chinese...). I added distilled water in desperation but no joy. I will buy another battery but there's a nagging fear that it too will die because it's not getting charged.
    I'm seriously wondering if quality assurance is an unfamiliar term to the manufacturer.
     
  • Comment #33 (Posted by David Lupo)
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    I now have 100kilometers on my bike(70 Miles). everything is still fuctioning well. I have a burnt out head light that the retailer promised to ship me and the alarm is still tempromental but other than that the scoot performs well around town. After I break in the engine I hope to get it up past 50 miles an hour. The key lock to the seat is stiff and bended my key a little. does anyone else have that problem
     
  • Comment #34 (Posted by Javier Acosta)
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    Folks John have done a great job writting down his experiences on this site. Additional info on Tank Products can be found on http://www.scooterforumonline.com.

    Thank You John...
     
  • Comment #35 (Posted by John (bbj500))
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    yes javier thanks i send them to the bbs all the time when they email me. great place for info. i thought i put the link in one of the comments maybe i forgot. but its there now
    Ride with Pride!
    JOHN

    happy scooting all
     
  • Comment #36 (Posted by Dave S)
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    Well I finally got my scoot a Tank Touring Deluxe 150. It is big and it is beautiful. With my friends help we put it together in about 3 1/2 hours. We took some breaks in between. The scoot arrived with several scratches and was missing a front axle spacer so I have not been able to ride it yet. I'm still trying the figure out the alarm becuase it doesn't really make a lot of sense to me yet. I had read the other postings so I knew about the hole that needed to be drilled for the radio knob LED that was a quick fix. My trunk arrived witha broken hinge which I am replacing but the scoot runs and looks really good. I am still waiting on my Bill of Sale and Cert of Origin so I can register the thing and that should be coming soon. the lights all work the radio is loud and the scoot is in good condition. What grade of gasoline does everyone use out there I am curious. Well that's it for now I will let you all know how the rest turns out. Hopefully soon I will be happily scooting!!
     
  • Comment #37 (Posted by Ajaimel)
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    I found all of the blogs very informative. I have been looking into purchasing the Touring 150 Deluxe through Extreme Scooters. Fortunately the info I found on this blog saved me from hassle. This company is in bad standings with the BBB. Please see link:
    http://www.macon.bbb.org/commonreport.htmlbid8715

     
  • Comment #38 (Posted by Ajaimel)
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    INFO FROM LINK ON PREVIOUS POST:

    The Better Business Bureau
    Serving Central Georgia the CSRA
    277 MLK. Blvd. Suite 102
    Macon GA 31201



    Extreme Scooters
    P. O. Box 6497
    Warner Robins GA 31095
    Telephone: (478) 987-8509



    The BBB reports on members and non-members. If a company is a member of the BBB it is stated in this report
    BBB Definition:

    report - A summary of activity reflected in a company's BBB file. Includes basic business background BBB membership information and Bureau complaint activity over the previous three years. Also reports may include any known government actions advertising issues or other information that results from activity conducted by the BBB.


    .



    Principal: Mr. Dave Bergman File Open Date: November 2004
    Email Address: DaveBrgmn@aol.com
    TOB Classification: Recreational Vehicles-Dealers
    BBB Membership: This company is not a member.


    The Bureau has requested basic information from this company. The Bureau has not received a response. Without this information the Bureau may not have current information concerning such things as the company's management or its nature of business.


    Additional DBA Names

    Extreme-hobby


    Customer Experience

    Based on BBB files this company has an unsatisfactory record with the Bureau due to one or more unanswered and two or more unresolved
    BBB Definition:

    unresolved - The company failed to resolve the complaint issues.


    complaints.

    When considering complaint information please take into account the company's size and volume of transactions and understand that the nature of complaints and a firm's responses to them are often more important than the number of complaints.

    The Bureau processed a total of 20 complaints about this company in the last 36 months our standard reporting period. Of the total of 20 complaints closed in 36 months 18 were closed in the last year.

    These complaints concerned:

    1 Advertising Issues
    BBB Definition:

    Advertising Issues - Claims alleging print or electronic media advertised claims or practices misrepresent the service or product offer.



    1 Sales Practice Issues
    BBB Definition:

    Sales Practice Issues - Claims of alleged sales presentations made in person or by telephone that contain misrepresentations of the product or service high pressure sales practices failure to disclose key conditions of the offer and verbal representations not consistent with written contractual terms or agreements.



    8 Delivery Issues
    BBB Definition:

    Delivery Issues - Claims alleging delayed delivery of ordered merchandise.



    1 Product Issues
    BBB Definition:

    Product Issues - Claim alleging a product does not meet the expectations of the complainant including defective merchandise.



    5 Refund or Exchange Issues
    BBB Definition:

    Refund or Exchange Issues - Claim of alleged failure to honor company policy or verbal commitment to provide refunds exchanges or credit for products or services.



    1 Contract Issues
    BBB Definition:

    Contract Issues - Claim of alleged failure to honor contract or agreement work performed without authorization or invalid contract.



    2 Customer Service Issues
    BBB Definition:

    Service Issues - Claims of alleged delay in completing service failure to provide promised service inferior quality of provided service or damaged merchandise as a result of delivery service.



    BBB Definition:

    Customer Service Issues - Claims alleging unsatisfactory customer service including personnel's failure to provide assistance in a timely manner failure to address or respond to customer dissatisfaction unavailability for customer support and/or inappropriate behavior or attitude exhibited by company staff.



    1 Billing or Collection Issues
    BBB Definition:

    Billing or Collection Issues - Claim alleging billing errors unauthorized charges or questionable collection practices.





    They were closed as:

    8 Resolved
    BBB Definition:

    Resolved - The company resolved the complaint issues.

    (click on Resolved to see more details)



    4 Company resolved the complaint issues. The consumer acknowledged acceptance to the BBB.
    4 Company resolved the complaint issues. The consumer failed to acknowledge acceptance to the BBB.

    3 Unresolved
    BBB Definition:

    Unresolved - The company failed to resolve the complaint issues.

    (click on Unresolved to see more details)



    3 Company failed to resolve the complaint issues through the BBB voluntary and self-regulatory process.

    2 Administratively Closed
    BBB Definition:

    Administratively Closed - The Bureau determined that the complaint could not be satisfactorily settled using standard methods of voluntary dispute resolution.

    (click on Administratively Closed to see more details)



    1 BBB determined the company made good faith and reasonable offer to resolve the issues but the consumer did not accept the offer.
    1 BBB determined that despite the company's good faith effort to address complaint issues the consumer remained dissatisfied.

    7 No Response
    BBB Definition:

    No Response - The company failed to respond to the complaint.

    (click on No Response to see more details)



    7 Company failed to respond to the BBB or to the consumer to resolve the issues.




     
  • Comment #39 (Posted by Tim Roberts)
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    Has anyone out there had the experience of trying to register the Tank Touring 150 with California's Department of Motor Vehicles If so were any issues/glitches encountered I am seriously contemplating the purchase of one of these machines as a commuter vehicle but if there are too many legal hoops to jump through I may have to re-think my choice.
     
  • Comment #40 (Posted by Marc)
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    I just ordered a Touring for delivery in San Diego this week and will post DMV experience.
     
  • Comment #41 (Posted by Shannon Barrett)
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    John
    I received my Tank Touring Deluxe 150cc without instructions on assembly. Along with a friend we have managed to put everything together except the front tire. If you could give me more detailed instructions on how to correctly install the front wheel it would be greatly appreciated. By the way your friends butt wasn't as bad as some I've seen. Thanks for everything looking forward to hitting the road. Shannon
     
  • Comment #42 (Posted by Tim Roberts)
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    Thanks Marc!
     
  • Comment #43 (Posted by PRO DRIVE)
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    Im thinking of buying a Tank Touring Deluxe 150cc For running around Jupter FLA I have read some good bad things about this "Tank" here and on other web pages. I'm kind of handy I don't plain to use it that much as we are snow birds Is this the right Scooter for me any thoughts Tom
     
  • Comment #44 (Posted by Dave Fox)
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    I'm thinking of purchasing the Touring 150 Deluxe. However I am a little hesitant about having it shipped over the boarder into Canada. Anyone out there had any experience(s) doing this
    Dave
     
  • Comment #45 (Posted by Marc)
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    Ordered mine Saturday took delivery yesterday here in San Diego. My wife and I had it on the road in a couple hours thanks to this site and others. We had no problems uncrating and setting it up just be patient and use common sense and it's a breeze. I am absolutely amazed at the size/price/quality/fun factor of this bike its alot better than I expected! Hopefully I'll be registering it next week.
     
  • Comment #46 (Posted by Dave S)
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    Uh oh I just realized that I have not broken in the engine in accordance of the manual. I have commuting with my scoot for two weeks and have been up to 55mph at times! Does anyone think that this will cause harm to the engine and hurt the longevity of the scoot The manual is in KILOMETERS..not MPH. According to that I should not exceed 35 mph until I go over 900 miles! Have I caused irreparable harm to my scoot By the way does ANYONE know how big the gas tank is on this thing. I have heard everything from 1.5 to 2.9 My gas gauge is broken and until I get a new one I just have to guess when its time to fill up. So far I topped it off the other day and have gone 166 miles without putting any fuel in it but I think I might be getting close to running out. anyone know for sure Thanks.
     
  • Comment #47 (Posted by Phil Fielder)
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    I am giving strong consideration to purchasing a couple 150's. Was wondering the hassles people have encountered on registration in California
     
  • Comment #48 (Posted by Shane)
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    Well I thought I was to get my Tank 150 tomorrow (3/7/06) but the Old Dominion Freight website now says 3/8/06. Damn!

    Anyway I also bought mine from EvoSales.com. 1319. We'll see. I was a little upset with them. Perhaps they do better on the phone but by email they're a little slow. When I ordered they said they had a Burgundy/Red one then 4 days later I got an email saying they didn't. After complaining/requesting a list of other colors I got an email update saying that the Burgundy one was shipped to me. Hmmm.... We'll see when it gets here. :-)

    To "Dave S" - I am near the St Pete/Clearwater airport. I noticed you mentioned that you commute to Tampa. I probably will too. Would love to meet/ride with you - or at least share some riding/traffic tips. I hope you don't have to commute over the "Howard Frankenstein" Bridge!

    As far as I know you should not worry too much about the break-in. If your bike ain't broke then you are doin' fine. There's plenty of debate on the break-in. Many say you need to take it easy (900 km is insane!) -- but some others say that's just a way to protect the seller/manufacturer and a harder break-in is actually better for the bike -- as long as nothing goes wrong. As for myself... I dunno... but I've heard both.

    I'll give an update on what I get from Evo shortly.

    Cheers!
    ---Shane
     
  • Comment #49 (Posted by Marc)
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    Registration at my local California DMV was a breeze. I walked out with my plates in less than 10 minutes. My dealer sent me the registration and title request form with his part filled in also the certificate of origin. Very smooth.
     
  • Comment #50 (Posted by Shane)
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    My Tank arrived today (3/8). It was partially dropped off the back of the truck. Ouch. Thanks to John's instructions/help I got it all assembled today. It started right up and is running smooth. The only problem I had was getting the brake on correctly. I had mounted the front wheel before I noticed that the disc was beside the two pads not between. But all in all it was a breeze. (Thanks John). I got the correct color from Evosales (whew). The manual is a joke. Literally. The English is quite funny. "Please put on showy protectingclothes." So I am happy and will post when I have any issues.

    Also... what has everyone done as far as break-in goes The manual says 300km for a break-in. That's quite a long while. I'm guessing that keeping it under 25-30 mph for about 50-60 miles should suffice.

    Cheers!
     
  • Comment #51 (Posted by gary lass)
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    just got my strata modesta 150 with very limited info on assembly mostly common sense but i cant find the key receptacle for the alram system da help
     
  • Comment #52 (Posted by charles trowt)
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    I just received a tank 150 and durning assembly process I can't locate the spacer for the front wheel axle any idea where they usually put it durning shipping. I also have a fuel line from the top of the fuel tank hanging next to the speed cable any idea where it attaches thanks Charles
     
  • Comment #53 (Posted by Riley)
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    I haven't read all of the comments but I just got my bike and the manual is a joke. I may be stupid but I tried to check everthing before I started my bike and found the lights didn't work. I called the dealer I bought it from and told him of my problem (there was no connection on the light switch). He told me to try to start the bike and on some models the lights will come on you can't turn on the lights manually. I hope this can help anyone before they get frustrated.
     
  • Comment #54 (Posted by Dave Fox)
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    For all you Canadians out there wondering about Tank availability in Canada ... I checked the Registrar of Imported Vehicles website (http://www.riv.ca/english/us_vehicle_admissibility.pdf) where they have a list of vehicles that have met the (apparently) high standards for importing from the US into Canada. Unfortunately Tank products are not listed therefore being deemed "Inadmissable". I have contacted the Registrar's office asking if and when these line of vehicles might be available for import. I'll post anything I find out.
     
  • Comment #55 (Posted by Dave S)
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    Shane we need to hook up and ride. I live in the lando'lakes are and take 41 and Florida into Ybor. I just encountered a serious problem with the scoot though. My brake light is on all the time now. I messed around with the brake handles and realized that when i lift the left hadle at a certain angle it goes off. But when I release it back on it goes. I email Rony at EVO sales and he said that it could be bad brake light switch. The worst part is it killed my battery so I am dead in the water until I can figure it out. Anyone have any advice
     
  • Comment #56 (Posted by Dave S)
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    Does anyone know how to use the scooter by kick-starting it I tried to read the book but that is no help. I am recharging my battery which dies but I wanted to know if there was a way to still use the kick start if my battery dies again
     
  • Comment #57 (Posted by Alan Parsons)
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    I recently purchased a Tank Touring 150 from a local owner. he loved the bike but wanted to get the 250 when they come out. everything seems to work fine except the front brake does not always iluminate the brake lights. I did get it with an aftermarket exhaust which is louder than the stock but seems to give it a faster response off the line. I have actually had mine up to 68 mph by radar on an old airstrip.
    Headlights: the light switch by the starter button has nothing attached to it. I looked behind the fairing and didn't see anything that looked like it should be there. Lights come on when I start the bike and low/hi beams work fine. I would like more light on those dark roads. May add an aux battery and some lo profile driving lights.

    I also have that strong gas smell in my garage after filling up. I have not noticed any fuel leaking and have actually stuck my head underneath to check. I think the filler cap does not seal well.
    I have right at 1000km on mine and have had no problems. I know the break in oil was changed before I purchased it I am going to change it again just so i know it is fresh I am also going to flush the brake fluid and refill when those directions are posted. I have noticed a slight squeal at about 15 mph that lasts about 2 seconds then is gone. I am goign to get a new trany belt just in case it goes. I think someone mentioned changing the tranny oil or something...what is the proceedure for that Also what is the availability of brake pads tires and other expendables

    Proceedure for kick starting...this is how I did it dunno if this is the right way. Turn the key to the run position and kill switch to run. Place bike on the full center stand. BE SURE THE ALARM IS OFF and that it did not arm when the battery was dying. Supposedly you can kikc it while on the bike...but I dont think so. I stood beside the bike with a hand on the handlebar grip and the other on the back grip rail. with the kick starter folded out push down-back with your left foot hard and fast. I had to do this in rapid manner like playing a kick drum until it started. If it starts for like 2 seconds and both turn signals flash then it dies the alarm is on. you will have to jump start it. do this with your CAR NOT RUNNING just connect the battery. If the car is running you will prolly toast the battery.

    Hope this helps.
    --Alan
     
  • Comment #58 (Posted by Alan Parsons)
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    I think I am looking for proceedure for changing rear gear lube not tranny oil...it is late.

    --Alan
     
  • Comment #59 (Posted by Tim California)
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    I just bought my Tank Touring Deluxe 150 from AllPro Powersports in California. This article helped me a lot. It looks like AllPro is owned by the same people at Jacar. They seem to have all of their docs in place. They even did my registration. To everyone out there beware I have another 150 (Yamati) that I was not able to register the bike in California. While other people claim to be distributors and big dealers I saw their showroom their warehouse and their parts and service facility. They have 2 mechanics on staff. They are for real. If you want to buy a scooter I will ask you to then contact the folks at AllPro Powersports. Tim.
     
  • Comment #60 (Posted by Tim California)
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    Oh I forgot to mention Jacar has a website full of parts and they also sponsor a Tank Users group. For parts go to www.jacarmotorsports.com/store and for the Tank Users group is at www.scooterforumonline.com. See you there
     
  • Comment #61 (Posted by Dave S)
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    Has anyone found a replacement for the headlight bulbs Unless I ride with the high beams on I feel like people can't see me. The regular headlights are not very bright at all. Also why isn't there anything connected behind the triple switch above the starting button I looked underneath and there is a place for the switch to be connected but there isn't any wiresto connect Has nyone else found this to be a problem. Also my front brakes sound like they scrape sometimes. Is my rotor bent or are they just breaking in I have about 1100 miles on my scoot right now and I commute with it daily. Another thing I have noticed is how easy the wind can blow me around. I have been almost blown off the road a few times. What is the deal with that
     
  • Comment #62 (Posted by Josh)
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    WOW! thanks a lot! I was suppose to recieve mine on a lift truck and it didnt happen. They shipped it in an 18 wheeler and me and the truck driver(thank god he helped!) tugged and pulled on the 410LB mass until it was at the end of the trailer and it just so happened I knew a guy getting a delivery too and he had a fork lift and set it in the back of our truck. We then got home and I had to call my pastor to come and help me lift it off. He brought his tractor and pulled it straight up off the truck! Then my brother and pastor tried to assemble the front wheel but thanks to the crappy guide had a lot of trouble! Thanks for your help Ill be sure to show them these instructions!
     
  • Comment #63 (Posted by Josh)
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    I also could use more detailed instructions on how to assemble the front wheel. I also was wondering about a couple of the previous comments on extreme-scooters that is where i purchased mine. Also I just received the scooter today when should i receive the certificate of orgin
     
  • Comment #64 (Posted by Shannon)
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    to answer josh
    I orderderd from extreme-motors; I received my scooter on 02/15/06 and finally received my certificate of title on 04/10/06. I made numerous phone calls and several e-mails with no response.
    I am totally happy with my 150 but would never reccommend extreme-scooters to anyone. In fact someone from work wants to buy one I went back on-line to give him someone else to purchase from. Extreme gives no information on assembly or any other form of support. I had to search the net to answer any questions I had.
     
  • Comment #65 (Posted by CCarter)
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    My 150 arrived lastweek and was but together a few days later. When I installed the battery nothing worked. So I had it charged and I put some distilled water in the battery and put in back in and nothing still worked after I turned the main swtich. Can someone help me
     
  • Comment #66 (Posted by CCarter)
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    My 150 arrived lastweek and was but together a few days later. When I installed the battery nothing worked. So I had it charged and I put some distilled water in the battery and put in back in and nothing still worked after I turned the main swtich. Can someone help me
     
  • Comment #67 (Posted by Josh)
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    Thanks Shannon I appreciate the help! That is gonna suck if it takes me that long to get that title. I did however email him and he replied that night that it would be a few days. As to a few days the heck if i know how many that could possibly be! Well i hope it gets here soon. Thanks again!
     
  • Comment #68 (Posted by Josh)
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    In response to CCarter I charged my battery after pouring the acid into it of course and it worked for a while but after so many attempts to start the bike i had to recharge it. I do not think you are suppose to put water in it so you might what to check into that other than that Im not sure on how to help you sorry.
     
  • Comment #69 (Posted by Mark Pel)
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    first questain- how fast can these things go I see some websites that say 55 and others that say 70.

    second questain where can you get parts like oil filters etc
     
  • Comment #70 (Posted by Liz)
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    A bit off topic but I've been searching online for the past 3 hours... I am trying to find out about changing out the cassette player with a CD player on my Tank Touring.. what kind of conversion do I need to do and where do I get it
     
  • Comment #71 (Posted by Tibular)
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    Bought my 250 touring from EvoSales.com what a nightmare!Over a month and still dont have my paper work to get it registered keep getting the run around.Was missing front wheel spacer took almost 2 wks to get.The body was damaged when I received it I doubt I'll ever get replacement parts promissed.I plan on fileing a formal complaint if I dont get paper work at least in the next few days.On the up side scooter looks nice for price but workmanship is poor weld joints are very sloppy hope I dont lose my life by trying to save a few bucks. With all the hassel I wish I had spent the money and gotten a SuzukiYamaha or Honda. I cant wait for the DMV hassel! Ill keep you posted Tib.
     
  • Comment #72 (Posted by Roger Uppman)
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    I should have checked the motorcycle dealers in my
    town of 140000 before I bought the 150 touring scooter.I checked with 4 out of the 7 we have. No one
    would even give me the time of day because they all made bad comments of any bikes made in China.They all
    praised Japan's scooters as being relible.
    I hope a Tank dealer opens shop here. Then I should
    be able to get parts and service if I need it. Nice
    bike this scooter but am worried if something goes
    wrong. Roger

     
  • Comment #73 (Posted by Austin)
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    can you put a picture of the radio on your site
     
  • Comment #74 (Posted by Lucas)
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    I weigh about320 pounds. I would like to order this scooter but I want to make sure that I can go at least 55-60 MPH but I am not sure if my weight will really slow me down. Can any of you provide your weight/max speed achieved I would really appreciate it.
     
  • Comment #75 (Posted by Gary)
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    While awaiting my 150 I am wondering if I could use a small floor jack to raise/support the scooter while installing the front wheel That way I could do it myself perhaps.
     
  • Comment #76 (Posted by Sharon)
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    I ourchased my Tank Tour 150 April 16th and received the bike 10 days ago. I am still waiting for the title so I can ride it legally. I got mine from USPowersport.com and they don't really seem helpful. They are waiting for the titles to come in before they can sign them and send them out again. My bike came assembled except for the mirrors adn windshield. I also had to add acid tot he battery and connect it but no problem. It took me about 1 hour to uncrate and set it up before I could ride it. The only problem I have had is a glitch with the electrical. I can start it with the remote and kick start but if I just turn on the key there is no electrical anywhere. If I start with the remote I have full electrical. Any help out there Other than that I am going to love riding it around town and short distances. Thanks for all the info also I have really appreciated it.
     
  • Comment #77 (Posted by scootersales@scooter.com)
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    the delay in getting certificates of origin for tank scooters is not the fault of the online stores you are buying from. Its the fault of tank sports which imports a good product but is incompetent in every other way. Including sending paperwork to their dealers so it can be forwarded to the consumer.
     
  • Comment #78 (Posted by Sharon)
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    I just know that there should be a way to get the titles back a little quicker. Other than mass ordering and having the titles on hand when the customer makes the purchase I don 't know what else to recommend. I just know that it is frustrating when you have a bike in the garage that you can't legally ride yet due to the lack of paperwork. Waiting a month seems a little extreme while they have my money already in the bank. People should be aware of this amount of time they will have to wait after they actually get their bike.
     
  • Comment #79 (Posted by John Ebberts)
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    Sorry to hear about the paperwork problems it is not suposed to take that long. most of us recieve our paperwork within 2 weeks. depends on the company you buy from. i got mine in 7 days after i got the scoot and i thought that was long. i cant imagine waiting over a month. what happens is the cert of origin is blank untill the company gets the bikes in then (in in a perfect world) they get the number off the bike send it to the companys office to issue the paperwork but go ahead and ship the bike with a bill of sale asap. so depending on the companys office and the backup of paperwork i may take a wile but to me a month is way to long. i would be ringing their phone off the hook every day untill they get tired of hearing from me
    wish i could do something to help you out but i guess its just a problem that will work its self out.
    hope you get it today
    JOHN (bbj500)
     
  • Comment #80 (Posted by Sharon)
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    I contacted the company yesterday (5/09) and they told me "it would be a week or so yet". I bought a little 49cc scooter for my 15 year old last year and it took just a week for the paperwork. Meanwhile I checked the weather formy area and they are forecasting rain for the next 10 days...
     
  • Comment #81 (Posted by Jay Javor)
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    Ok I just ordered my Tank Touring Deluxe from extreme-scooters.com. I am sorry to hear all of the negative comments about them. So far Dave has returned every one of my phone calls. I will let everyone know how it goes from here. I hope that I don't have the problems that other people have been having with extreme-scooters.com
     
  • Comment #82 (Posted by Josh)
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    In regards to Jays comment. I to ordered from extremescooters and I didnt have a single problem he answered all my emails and phone calls and the bike was at my house within a week and the title came almost a week later. He treated my right sorry to hear all the bad news from there.
     
  • Comment #83 (Posted by frank)
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    SO GLAD!!! To see JOHN's photos and write-up and the comments... When is John going to make another report Trying to decide on which color...tks frank
     
  • Comment #84 (Posted by Sharon)
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    Personally I like the burgundy as a first choice. I tried for a burgundy then red then blue and they told me all they had was a silver or white. I would have had to wait another 3 - 4 weeks if I wanted another color choice. I chose silver and it is pretty now if I could only get the paperwork and get a chance to ride... still waiting... Good luck to you Frank.
     
  • Comment #85 (Posted by Jason Campbell)
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    I purchased a Touring Deluxe scooter from Extreme over a month ago. During shipment brake fluid leaked on the dashboard and front of the bike. The leaking fluid caused discoloration and cracking of the plastic pieces. The front brake line has a small hole in it which obviously caused the leaking break fluid. Extreme has yet to send me the replacement pieces and Tank Sports has not returned any of my calls. I have had this scooter for over a month and have not be able to even ride it. I would not suggest that anyone purchase anything scooter or what have you from Extreme Scooters. I will be filling a claim with the BBB with the information provided above.
     
  • Comment #86 (Posted by Sharon)
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    When my scooter arrived I had a few minor things to fix before I could even get it to run. There was a gas line loose from the carb and the overflow from the carb was open. I also had an electrical line broken from the ignition. I could start it with the kick start or remote but not with the key. I still haevn't had it on the road yet due to no paperwork. 28 days and counting since I ordered it.
     
  • Comment #87 (Posted by Mike)
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    Need Help!!!
    I have three wire for the battery: RED GREEN RED covered with black. R-- Blk -- - and where red w/blak cover goes
    I also have an extra gas line. it is clear color. has a stop at the end of the pip. should this be also connected to somewhere or is it an extra line.
    Battery should be charged before starting or just use the paddle to start
     
  • Comment #88 (Posted by Sharon)
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    Well the weather is nice and my bike is still sitting in the garage because the paperwork hasn't come through yet. 29 days and still counting and when I called today (www.uspowersport.com) I was told th epaperwork hasn't come through yet and it could be another week. I finally told them I wanted it in my hands by Wednesday or I would file a dispute through the credit card company against them and report them to the BBB. Is anyone else having this type of hassle
     
  • Comment #89 (Posted by Jay Javor)
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    Ok time to take my licks. I've tried to get in touch with Dave at Extreme Scooter and he hasn't returned any of my calls for the last three days! I hope this isn't foreshadowing what's to come.
     
  • Comment #90 (Posted by Sharon)
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    Well 34 days and still no paperwork. I was told that somehow they lost my paperwork and that of at least 4 others and it could be ANOTHER WEEK yet. They were supposed to overnight the papers to US Powersport last Tuesday and they would send it immediately to me. Now they say they haven't received it yet. Is ther anything I can do as a matter of recourse I would have been better off ordering somewhere else (like GA) and maybe I would have at least received my color choice in the middle of all this mess. I really did want the Burgundy one...
     
  • Comment #91 (Posted by Phil Brittain)
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    It took a bit to get paperwork but phone calls e-mails and faxes took care of that in a few days. I have a question for John...does the speedometer install on the brake disk (right) side or the other I still need to get the tag from the DMV. Tennessee likes everything on TENNESSEE forms no matter where the purchase was made.

    Thanks
    Phil
     
  • Comment #92 (Posted by Karla)
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    I have been considering buying the touring 150 deluxe for myself. I have also been looking at the post. I have noticed a few females riding it and wondering how a 125 lb female would handle such a big bike. Thoughts please.
     
  • Comment #93 (Posted by Josh)
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    Hey guys I need your help I have been riding my tank for a couple months now and i have put 700 miles on it! first problem the switch on the right handle that is right above the start button isnt connected to anything. We took the whole thing apart and cant find out where the wire is that goes to it. Secondly I also cannot use the key start i used it once or twice but it knew ever works anymore I always have to use the remote. Lastly the battery will not stay charged! It stays charged while i ride but if i let it set a couple days it goes dead and lately just a day and it will be dead! Is it the battery or what I would appreciate your thoughts thanks!
     
  • Comment #94 (Posted by Jay Javor)
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    Well Karla. If I ever get my paid for bike I'll let you know. My wife is about 130 lbs and she'll definetly be taking it for a spin.
     
  • Comment #95 (Posted by Tim California)
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    I noticed from another site that EVOSALES may be in trouble. It looks like they are doing the same thing that they did last year. And the only thing they did was change the name to JKScooters. Once a snake always a snake. Do not buy from EVOSALES.
     
  • Comment #96 (Posted by Dan W.)
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    I ordered my scooter from Dave and he has responded to every one of my emails usually within a few hours. I hope that the delivery of the Tank 150 goes as well. I cancelled with a previous merchant because of lack of emails and empty promises.
     
  • Comment #97 (Posted by timzoomee)
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    bought my scooter from motortoyshop.com. took over a month to recieve back that wea supposed to be in stockGot mu certificate of origin but nothing on the back was filled out did not get a bill of sale or odommeter discloser. e-mailes sam from motorotshop.com. his reply was to contact a guy name moseswho he said does't normally answer the phone. i have been trying for 3 days to get ahold of this guy.between 9 and 5 i call him every 30 mins. all i get is an answering machine. i don;t recomend motortpyshop.com at all. i bought 1320 paper weight
     
  • Comment #98 (Posted by Tom suarez)
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    I hae had this scooter (tank 150cc) for a little less than a month and recently it broke down. I give it gas and it won't go. I'm not sure if the belt fell off or if there is something wrong with the trans....do you have any idea's So far a screw fell off of the muffler and I had to get a new one and n ow this. I had to push the bike up and down hills for about 3 miles in 90 degree weather and I don't think this is right for only having it a little less than a month. I need some idea's on what to do.
     
  • Comment #99 (Posted by Sharon B)
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    I have bought a 150c Tank Touring bike from EXTREME-SCOOTERS
    Owners name is:
    Dave Bergman
    P.O. BOX 6497
    WARNER ROBINS GA 31095
    TL: (478) 987-8509
    TOLL: (888) 361-2605
    FAX: (478) 987-8518
    IT has been two months and no bike in site. Cashed my check within four days. Dave said bike would arrive in four days now it is two months.
    He now is ignoring our calls. We are asking for a refund.
    Can anyone out there help us with legal proceedings I don't see how a business can continue to do what This company is doing with no legal action aganist them.
    I simply cannot believe this is happening and I feel a bit frustrated at how many others it seems are going through the same problem with this company.
    Any info would be appreciated.


     
  • Comment #100 (Posted by TIMZOOMEE)
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    GOT MY TANK AVIA FROM MOTORTOYSHUP.COM. BIG MISTAKE. GOING ON 1 MONTH WAITING FOR PAPERWORK TO GET TAGS.
     
  • Comment #101 (Posted by monique)
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    bbj500 hi i just ordered myself the touring 150 and was wondering how your scooter is holding up do you still love it and have you had any problems with it.
     
  • Comment #102 (Posted by JOHN (bbj500))
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    My bikes doin great only real problem in had was the drive belt breaking at 4000km. everyone said to replace it but i thought i was going to be the exception and pop! went the belt....lol
    it was not hard to replace just need a impact wrench to get the viarator nut loose but thats the only special tool you need. shes got almost 5000 km on her now and running strong.did some music improuvements on her so i could hear the music at 60 so im happy now. all in all the best investment i have made in a long time. here is a link to a few photos i have posted at jacar motor sports. its a tank bbs with free membership alot of good info there. so yes you can say im still very very happy with my bike
    link: http://www.jacarmotorsports.com/gallery/bbj500-JOHN
    Good luck with yours
     
  • Comment #103 (Posted by monique)
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    I am glad to hear your scooter is doing well. I have been to that site thank you I have also been to a few others that has had some negative feed back about bnscooter that is where i ordered mine from so now my fingers are crossed I can say ot of all the places I called with my questions they had the best customer service I hope that continues now that I have bought it from them. One more question where did you by your belt and when would be a good time to replace it. Thank you again monique.
     
  • Comment #104 (Posted by Shannon)
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    Karla
    I'm 105 and have no problems although on windy days it is a bit of a struggle. I have even ridden in the rain; just take it a bit slower. I've been riding since April and love the 150; I'm averaging 95mpg everyone at work is envious when I tell them a fill up is only 5. I'm enjoying my 150 so far only problem I've had was the wind blew it over while it was parked. Now I leave it in a more protected area.
     
  • Comment #105 (Posted by joe gotgo)
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    can any one help me out . after having my scooter for 3 mths i finally got it on the road. about 30 mph it vibrates so bad it almost knocks me off the scooter.
    promblem 2
    i can not on lock my seat i am afraid the scooter will tip over as the seat is not locked
     
  • Comment #106 (Posted by Susan)
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    We just received our Tank Touring 150 on Tuesday (6/20/06) and it has been a very rocky start...the assembly is on your own. Know someone slightly mechanically skilled. Our dealer is also troublesome like many of the other entries. But we are persisting in getting the Tank up and running. Any help is appreciated!

    First the headlight doesn't seem to be able to be switched on. We know the bulb works and the electrical system works so we will try to see if the wiring is all attached correctly. Any other ideas

    Second the alarm system and remotes...any information on that The remote lights up at the LED but doesn't get a response from the bike We simply can't figure out the alarm system....

    Third the front brake. It engages but any advice for tightening it up to get better braking out of it

    Fourth the latches for the seat. We can't seem to get the latches to move from their position...we've found no piece of shipping materials that needs to be removed and the key works exceptionally hard and doesn't even move the locking mechanism....we don't want to break the key off in the lock but the seat won't sit properly until the lock works properly...any ideas


     
  • Comment #107 (Posted by Tim California)
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    Susan I have read in other post of people having similar problems and the problem have been a loose wires. Remove the front cowl is not an easy job and inspect the wiring. Please check http://www.jacarmotorsports.com/gallery/Skyjets-Tank-Racer-150

    Also post on http://www.scooterforumonline.com There you can find a group of people that can help you with your questions. Tim.
     
  • Comment #108 (Posted by Izzie)
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    I made the HUGE mistake of ordering from Dave at Extreme Scooters; HUGE MISTAKE!!! I ordered it back in May and I have yet to receive the correct scooter. After a month; he finally sent me a Roketa Bali scooter when I ordered a Tank Touring Deluxe; totally not what I ordered and he didnt' want to exchange it at first; he kept telling me he sent me a better model. after over a week of aguing about that; he says he will send me the correct one; it's now July and I am right now stuck with a huge box in my yard of a Roketa Bali instead of the Tank I ordered. This is totally fraudulant practices; I have to email 2-3 times before he will respond. Huge mistake; NEVER order from Extreme Scooters; they will purposely send you a different product and they are not helpful at all!!!
     
  • Comment #109 (Posted by MIKE W.)
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    HELLO EVERYONE I'M ORDERING MY TANK 250 TOURING DELUXE ON 7-31-06 AND I CAN'T WAIT!! I'VE BEEN READING ALOT OF BLOGS AND I HOPE I'M AS HAPPY WITH MY TANK AS EVERYONE ELSE IS..I ALSO JUST WANTED TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT ASSEMBLY I FOUND A WEBSITE (WWW.TANKSCOOTERS.COM) THAT MIGHT HELP ANSWER SOME THOSE QUESTIONS...HAPPY SCOOTING
     
  • Comment #110 (Posted by Dana)
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    Hi we ordered a tank touring mopped back in May and got it on May 15th. we had several things wrong with it when we got it. 1 the windshield was cracked (the easyest thing to get fixed took 4 weeks) 2 the spacer for the front wheel was missing ( took 6 weeks to get) and the front brake was leaking and is still not fixed as of Aug 2 ( we now have the plastic that goes in front to the windshild and that holds the spedomiter in place cracking because of the oil from the brake.) so far NOT HAPPY with our bike. and deffantly not happy with service.
     
  • Comment #111 (Posted by ric creamer)
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    just received my touring 150 BUT no front wheel axle nut. Does anyone know the size and thread that I will need and where to get a nut
     
  • Comment #112 (Posted by DEFERENY6783)
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    I MADE THE BIGGEST MISTAKE IN MY LIFE BY BUYING A SCOOTER FROM MOTORTOYSHOP.COM.SAM IS THE BIGGEST ASHOLE I HAVE EVER DUALT WITH.GOD HELP ANY ONE WHO HAVE BOUGHT FROM HIM
    DON
     
  • Comment #113 (Posted by Dan)
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    Also have had the worst experience in purchasing a scooter over the web. I too ordered a Tank Touring 150 from Dave at Extreme-Scooters and he finally sent out a scooter....a rocketa as well and I immediately told the trucker to take it back. I cancelled my order with Dave and have not received my refund back now and it has been a month. I just filed a rip off report on him and this following week I am filing a police report locally and in Georgia where his crappy company resides. He took me for 1400 dollars don't make the same mistake by ordering NOTHING from him!
     
  • Comment #114 (Posted by Mike)
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    I've been online for days researching scooters and reading reviews. I'm a novice with mechanical abilites. I narrowed my searched as far as a supplier "Scooterdemand.com". Curious to know if anyone has ever delt with them. I'm interested in buying the 250cc Bali which infact is a Tank 250cc IAW the person I spoke with...all input would be appriciated. Thanks
     
  • Comment #115 (Posted by MIKE W.)
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    I FINALLY GOT A CHANCE TO TEST DRIVE MY TANK 250!!!!! EVERYTHING IS PERFECT THE KILL SWITCH EVEN WORKS!!! THE POWER ON THIS THING IS CRAZY I'VE HAD STREET BIKES BEFORE AS WELL AS SCOOTERS(KATANA 750 HONDA ELITE 150) BUT I AM IN LOVE WITH THIS SCOOTER. I RECIEVED MY SCOOT ON 8/31/06 AND IT STARTED RAINING A HALF HOUR AFTER ASSEMBLY WAS COMPLETE TODAY WAS THE FIRST CLEAR DAY AND I TOOK ADVANTAGE.I HOPE EVERYONE WHO IS THINKING ABOUT BUYING OR ALREADY HAS PURCHASED THEIR TANK SCOOT WEATHER IT IS A 50CC OR A 250CC IS AS HAPPY AS I AM WITH MINE...HAPPY SCOOTING (QUOTE:4 WHEELS MOVES THE BODY 2 WHEELS MOVES THE SOUL)
     
  • Comment #116 (Posted by Richard Zacek)
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    Here Is A Little Tip
    Before THAT BIG TRUCK ARRIVES With Your SCOOTER.
    I live In TEXAS On A Horseshoe Court.And When That 48 FT OVERNIGHT FREIGHT WAYS TRAILOR TRIMED All!!! My Neighbors Trees He Had The Nerve To Ring The Door Bell.Being 105 Degrees Heat Index 108 I Wasted A Twelve- Pak In Sweat Climbing Up Into Trailor Wich Is 4 Foot Off The Ground I Told The Driver If He Did Not Know CPR To Take It Back To The Dock The Tip IS
    Who Ever Your Scooter Is Shiped On Will Call You 24 To 48 Hours In-Advance For Delivery Tell Them You Will. Will-Call It !! After Opening The Big Box Sitting ON Two (2) Wood Pallets And Seeing That Scooter In The Cage Shown In Johns Pictures By The Way Thanks A Bunch Great Help I Overnite To load That Little Cage Into My Ford Ranger Pick-Up With A Fork-Lift Put A Strap Across The Back Signed The Bill And Was Gone To The House. My Wife And I Unloaded It Off The Truck And No Wood Pallets Or Big Card-Board To Get Rid- Of Hpe This Helps

    PS Still Getting Mean Looks From Neighbors
    Richard HurstTexas
     
  • Comment #117 (Posted by Mike T)
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    Received my Bali 250 scooter on thursday (9/7). I started to assemble the scooter (trunk mirrors and windshield) instructions weren't provided except for the front wheel. I added gasoline and what a disaster. Gasoline started dripping from the lower front section of the scooter. I had to remove the wheel fender and several plastice shields. I've yet to pin point the leak. It's either a hole in the tank or where the gas float enters the tank...GRRRRRRRR. I read several reviews and never once heard of this happening.Can't find the speakers for the AM/FM stero....hmmmmm. I'll be making a phone call tomorrow
     
  • Comment #118 (Posted by miccdave)
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    Could anyone tell me if they had bad experince with Sam from Motortoyshop.com
     
  • Comment #119 (Posted by miccdave)
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    Couldyou tell me if assembling the touring special edition the same as teh tour deluxe
     
  • Comment #120 (Posted by Charlie)
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    This is answer to post 46. Check this link out: http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm I break in all of my engines this way. I have never had a problem.
     
  • Comment #121 (Posted by Chris Bateman)
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    I bought one and its a piece of sh@t. Even the dealer we took it to were incompetend. Buy a Honda
     
  • Comment #122 (Posted by Andy Smith)
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    i have bout this this bike in cyprus and i will be shipping it back to uk in the summer (07). Unfortunately i am unable to locate a manual for this bike. Thanks for the photos john, gr8t help..thanks
     
  • Comment #123 (Posted by Mickie)
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    I just ordered my Tank Touring 150 DE from scooterdemand.com and spoke with Tony; He pulled no punches and told me how it was. I will post again when I receive it and assemble it followed by another posting after driving it around here in South Florida.
    - Mickie J.
    South Florida (Stuart, FL)
     
  • Comment #124 (Posted by MN)
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    Can someone share how they changed the tail lights on a Bali 150 or 250? My running lights stopped working.
     
  • Comment #125 (Posted by John)
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    Helped my brother asseble his, same issues, gas line off and missing spacer for the front wheel. HTink there should have been filler plugs for the mirrors. fairly easy, except getting the front shaft in.
     
  • Comment #126 (Posted by Connie Richards)
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    I just received my tank 150 touring assembled by the company I bought it from. But, I too are having problems with the battery. I rode it a few times, left it sit for 3 days and its dead. having a very hard time starting with the kick ... read someone said to hook it to your car (unstarted). Has anyone else done this? Do I need to buy a battery charger? Please help!!
     
  • Comment #127 (Posted by Mike)
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    EXCELLANT SETUP ARTICLE! Have you had it up to highway speed yet? If so, How does it handle?
     
  • Comment #128 (Posted by kris)
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    Does anybody know how to locate the nearest tank dealership to me? I got hit by a car on my Tank touring DE the other day and I need to get the damage appraised. Unfortunately the place I bought it is now out of business and I don't know where to turn. I'm in Long Beach, CA. Please help!
     
  • Comment #129 (Posted by anthony salvatore)
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    The thing about Dave frome extreme scooters. He will answer your questions and emails. until the bike is at your door. Once that happenes, he is done with you. My my tank touring 150 came with a defective horn an no tail lightsx. i had to take the whole wiring harness apart and eventually i found that there weren't enough connectors on the harness to wire everything. Looks like they used the tail light connector to power the radio.
    He has not returned any calls or emails since i sent him the vin # INFO. Like everyone i'm sure iwill be waiting weeks for my title.
    Don't you get the feeling that over in china they round all the defective bikes at the tank plant and say " The heck with it, ship them to the U.S." lol
     
  • Comment #130 (Posted by Donny Shore)
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    Do not buy anything from scooterdemand.com. You may be happy with your 150's but believe me I have lived a nightmare over a tank 250 DE since last May. The bike has been in the shop for five months for overheating issues. The repair shop that worked on the bike refuses to talk with scooterdemand because they were so rude. The bike was returned to me still overheating. I started the bike approximately three weeks ago because the ambient temp. was low enough to prevent heating. The bike's ignition system has now failed. I'm filing a law suit against them. Other issues have ocurred which would take some time to type in an email.
     
  • Comment #131 (Posted by Matt)
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    Wonderful article, I'd have probably missed that fuel line myself. This was actually one of my deciding factors FOR ordering this bike. I stumbled across this guide on the Tank Yahoo group as a pdf, saw what was involved, and realized I shouldn't be scared of "some assembly" after all.

    On the other hand, I wish I'd done more homework myself. 3 business days (Dave at Extreme-Scooters' promised delivery time) and over a month are quite different. And the whole attempted bait-and-switch to a Roketa Bali? No thanks. Still waiting for my TT150DE, I'll post a full update when/if I ever get my scooter. The supposed delivery date that keeps moving further and further back and constantly promised yet never given tracking #s make me sort of suspicious at this point. It's Tuesday now, on Friday it will have been over a month since he got the money. What gives? I tried to be patient but really! I wouldn't recommend Extreme-Scooters to any of my friends, which is sad for him because depending on the quality of my unit, I've got 4 more people poised to buy them with the cash in-hand if it's decent. We'll see "By Friday, Monday at the latest" (from the email I just got 20 minutes ago.)
     
  • Comment #132 (Posted by Michael Tsark)
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    Regarding Prosecution And Penalties Against Extreme-Scooters.com For Multiple Violations.
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    Attention Please: There are two separate companies that have similar names and as far as I know they are not affiliated with each other, however, when researching for complaints against either X-tremeScooters.com or Extreme-Scooters.com the search results will have a tendency to overlap because both separate companies tend to share the same history of doing identical shady practices and both have established the reputation of ripping off consumers using the same fraudulent tactics.
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    This is to warn potential victims or to offer advice on course-of-action to other victims of Extreme Scooters, aka Extreme-Scooters.com, aka Extreme-Hobby. If you were not scammed then you were just very lucky because Extreme-Scooters.com has an established history with Better Business Bureau of Central Georgia and Georgia Governor's Office of Consumer Affairs for ripping off consumers.
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    To begin with, Dave Bergman dba Extreme-Scooters (and dba Extreme-Hobby) used to immediately answer my initial phone calls and he also used to immediately respond to my emails prior to having any of my funds but once he got ahold of my $1,000 on lay-a-way since mid-December 2007 it's been a whole different story. Just recently for days he refused to answer all paged notices placed on his cellular, ignored all my polite voice phone messages, and ignored my polite email message regarding my change of plans to use my lay-a-way funds to purchase instead a cheaper $899 model moped instead of a $1300 scooter. And on February 29th, 2008 I had called him again and left another page and further left more polite phone messages and two of those phone calls were to his answering service but one particular woman who answered had immediately hung-up on me the moment I politely said "Hi, I'm trying to get in contact with Dave Bergman who has $1,000 of my money on lay-a-way."
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    I'm currently being scammed by Extreme-Scooters.com and copies of the email evidence is provided at the end portion of this report but first FYI regarding Extreme Scooters known history of doing bad business. In my own situation he first consistently quotes a price of $1,300 plus $150 for a total of $1450 to send a scooter to my residence in Hawaii but when I change my mind to purchase a cheaper moped he insists it's too late and changes the shipping cost to $800 plus tries to charge me $219.90 interest for holding my $1,000 on lay-a-way. You can read the proof in the email contents that's presented near the bottom of this incident report.
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    According to current Better Business Bureau of Central Georgia report, Extreme-Scooters Incorporated has an unsatisfactory record with the BBB of Central Georgia who has processed a total of 48 complaints about Extreme Scooters in the last 36 months. (BBB retains records only up to 3 years; and my recent complaint should make it a total of 49 complaints, thus far.)
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    The BBB of Central Georgia report further mentions that on April 10, 2006, Extreme Scooters signed an Assurance of Voluntary Compliance with the Governor's Office of Consumer Affairs Office and paid restitution payments totaling $11,781.
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    The BBB report additionally mentions that the Georgia Governor's Office of Consumer Affairs alleges that Extreme-Scooters who also does business under the name of Extreme-Hobby has used unfair or deceptive acts or practices in the conduct of consumer transactions including:
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    1) Deceptively advertising, promoting, and soliciting business through its websites in violation of O.C.G.A. // 10-1-393(a), (b)(5),(b)(7), (b)(9), (b)(10), and 10-1-393.5.
    2) Offered for sale and accepted payment for merchandise of particular brands but instead delivered merchandise of different brands in violation of O.C.G.A. // 10-1-393(a), (b)(5),(b)(7) and 10-1-393.5(b).
    3) Represented through its websites that certain merchandise was in stock when in fact it was not, in violation of // 10-1-393(a), (b)(5) and 10-1-393.5(b).
    4) Accepted payment for merchandise but failed to deliver this merchandise or provide refunds, in violation of O.C.G.A. // 10-1-393(a), (b)(9), and 10-1-393.5(b).
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    [The Official Code of Georgia Annotated (OCGA) is the compendium of all laws in the U.S. state of Georgia.]
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    BBB of Central Georgia report also mentions that according to Georgia Governor's Office of Consumer Affairs Complaint Procedure, a significant quantity of complaints about a business may give rise to legal action but not on behalf of the individual complainants but rather to enforce state law.
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    Therefore, I'm asking for the voluntary participation of anyone who feels they've been victimized by Dave Bergman and John Eline of Extreme-Scooters.com to please consider following-up, at your convenience of course, with filling out the quick complaint form on FTC's website (Federal Trade Commission Consumer Protection Agency), and also the online quick complaint form to IC3 (Internet Crime Complaint Center) in order to help increase the likelihood of criminal charges being brought forth against Dave Bergman and John Eline. (The IC3 is a partnership between Federal Bureau of Investigation and National White Collar Crime Center). The procedures for filling out the online quick complaint forms with both the FTC and IC3 is rather simplified and does not take long to complete. However, Georgia Governor's Office of Consumer Affairs does require copies of all relevant documents be submitted along with the complaint report in order to help Consumer Affairs in facilitating any possible future penalties against violators.
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    What Georgia Governor's Office of Consumer Affairs CAN do for our consumers:
    - - Issue fines of $2,000 per violation per day against businesses that violate consumer protection laws.
    - - File legal action against businesses or individuals operating in violation of Georgia law and seek injunctive relief, court-ordered civil penalties up to $5,000 per violation per day, and other remedies as appropriate.
    - - Seek enhanced or double penalties from violators whose victims are elderly or disabled.
    - - Pursue criminal charges against individuals or companies who commit fraud through identity theft, telemarketing, home repair, or a computer network such as the Internet.
    - - Order businesses to stop any unfair or deceptive activities by issuing cease-and-desist orders.
    - - Obtain reimbursement from businesses for consumer losses.
    - - Obtain settlements from businesses regarding their future activity in the marketplace.
    - - Investigate consumer complaints alleging fraud.
    - - Mediate between consumers and businesses.
    What Georgia Governor's Office of Consumer Affairs CANNOT do for our consumers:
    - - Give legal advice or act as your private attorney.
    - - Provide information about the reputation of a particular business or individual, although this may be available from the Better Business Bureau.
    - - Handle a complaint filed by one business against another, except in very limited circumstances.
    - - Handle a complaint where another state or federal government agency has primary authority.
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    Although the Better Business Bureau is usually the best place to start when filing a complaint, their job duties is limited to that of being an impartial mediator without any legal powers for posing fines or enforcing laws, however, their upstanding reputation and popularity among consumers and authoritative agencies alike, and also the ease of filing a quick complaint is what makes our Better Business Bureau so very useful and more often than not is the speediest solution for remedying conflicts that otherwise fail to resolved without outside intervention. But where our Better Business Bureau is lacking in legal powers, our Office of Consumer Affairs can impose fines and enforce the law upon proven violators.
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    The purview for handling casefiles in Georgia Governor's Office of Consumer Affairs may or may not fall within their criteria but if not then they adequately help our consumers to connect with the appropriate agency or agencies.
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    Submitted complaints to Georgia Governor's Office of Consumer Affairs must set forth the problem chronologically and must be accompanied by copies of relevant documents such as invoices, contracts, or previous correspondence with the business.
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    The BBB has also requested basic information from ExtremeScooters but BBB has not received a response and without this information the BBB may not have current information concerning such things as the company's management or its nature of business.
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    Sincerely,
    Michael Tsark
    Haleiwa, Hawaii
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    The evidence speaks for itself. Below is the 8 emails total that were exchanged between myself and Extreme Scooters between November 27, 2007 and March 1, 2008.
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    ----- Original Message of Email 1 of 8 -----
    From: Michael Tsark
    To: Extreme-Scooters
    Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 1:39 PM
    Subject: I prefer the 2008 Tank Touring 150 Deluxe.
    Hi,
    We spoke over the phone a couple of times. I'm Michael in Hawaii. When I
    had inquired you about any price reduction in the 2007 model come January
    2008 you acted as if there wasn't any changes to speak of that you knew of.
    I know car dealers will usually release the new models in December, so my
    question is, can I order and get a 2008 model next month in December 2007?
    Or would I have to wait until January before I can order a 2008 model?
    Sincerely,
    Michael Tsark
    Haleiwa, Hawaii
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    ----- Original Message of Email 2 of 8 -----
    From: Michael Tsark
    To: Extreme-Scooters
    Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 1:47 PM
    Subject: Re: I prefer the 2008 Tank Touring 150 Deluxe.
    I should mention that I'm ONLY interested in the Sandy Gold (Very Light
    Gold-Champagne Color) ONLY. Without a doubt that's by far the nicest color.
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    ----- Original Message of Email 3 of 8 -----
    From: Extreme-Scooters
    To: Michael Tsark
    Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 2:49 PM
    Subject: Re: I prefer the 2008 Tank Touring 150 Deluxe.
    Below Please Find a Copy Example of the MCO Title for the Tank Touring Deluxe 150cc, showing some specifications.
    and
    Our Dealer License.
    Thank-You
    Dave Bergman
    Extreme-Scooters
    www.extreme-scooters.com
    Cell (478) 396-6796
    Toll (888) 361-2605
    TL: (478) 987-8509
    Fax:(478) 987-8518
    2007' MCO Title Example:
    Our Dealer License:
    (Certificate of Origin for a Vehicle)
    (Business Certificate of Registration)
    Check out AOL Money & Finance's list of the hottest products and top money wasters of 2007.
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    ----- Original Message of Email 4 of 8 -----
    From: Extreme-Scooters
    To: Michael Tsark
    Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 2:40 PM
    Subject: Re: I prefer the 2008 Tank Touring 150 Deluxe.
    The new 2008 Tank Touring 150 Deluxe Scooters are coming in the First Week in Dec.and will be available in stock in Sandy Gold.
    You can go ahead and put the 2008 Sandy Gold Tank Touring Deluxe 150 on Layaway anytime, or pay for it in full. We will only ship it after its paid in full.
    To Start a Layaway the minimum down payment is $200.
    Can do a price of $1450 Total includes Residential Shipping for the Sandy Gold Tank Touring Deluxe 150cc.
    Below Please Find the Bill of Sale and Ordering Information:
    We accept several forms of payment Please see below. Also, if you would like to do a direct wire transfer of funds from your bank, that information is also below.
    We will accept payment by personal check or money order for $1450 for the 150cc Tank Touring Deluxe 150cc Scooter, payable to Extreme-Scooters.
    So your Total Including Shipping to Your Residence is $1450.
    Mailed To:
    EXTREME-SCOOTERS
    Attn: Dave Bergman
    P.O. BOX 6497
    WARNER ROBINS, GA 31095
    TL: (478) 987-8509
    TOLL: (888) 361-2605
    FAX: (478) 987-8518
    BILL OF SALE
    Date: 11/27/2007
    Total includes shipping $1450 for One Brand New, 2008', 150cc, Sandy Gold, Tank Touring Deluxe Scooter.
    Comes with Windshield, Lockable Rear Trunk, Remote, Alarm, and Stereo.
    Sold / Ship
    To:
    Michael Tsark
    Haleiwa, Hawaii
    Michael Tsark
    Signature____________________________________________________
    Thank-You
    Dave Bergman
    Extreme-Scooters
    Dealer Lc: 50003040
    Houston County, Georgia
    Cell (478) 396-6796
    Please include the signed Bill of Sale with your payment, Or Fax it to Us, and allow 6 - 7 business days for shipping to your Residence via http://www.godependable.com/ (DHX Freight to Hi).
    Please mail payment by US Mail with Delivery Confirmation.
    For Direct Bank Transfer the information is below
    (Same Day Funds Transfer, if done before 2 p.m.):
    Direct bank transfer requires that you go to your Bank in person.
    Bank Name: SunTrust Bank
    Bank Address: Warner Robins, GA 31088
    Account Name: Extreme-Scooters
    Account Number: 1000025936278
    Routing Number: 061 000 104
    Also, we will mail your Certificate of Origin Title separately.
    If you have any questions, Please call any time.
    Thank-You
    Dave Bergman
    Extreme-Scooters
    www.extreme-scooters.com
    Cell (478) 396-6796
    Our Physical Address is:
    Extreme-Scooters
    103 Arthur Walter Court
    Warner Robins, GA 31088
    Both Addresses can be used for mailing, but the P.O. Box Address is preferred.
    (In the Next E-Mail will provide our Dealer License and a Copy of the MCO Title Example for a 2007 Tank Touring Deluxe)
    Check out AOL Money & Finance's list of the hottest products and top money wasters of 2007.
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    ----- Original Message of Email 5 of 8 -----
    From: Michael Tsark
    To: Extreme-Scooters
    Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:51 PM
    Subject: Re: I prefer the 2008 Tank Touring 150 Deluxe.
    Hi Dave,
    This is just to let you know I haven't forgotten the $1000 I have on lay-a-way but I've been hit with recent new bills which needed to get paid off and so the lay-a-way had to wait. I hope to send at least another $50 towards the lay-a-way next month.
    Michael Tsark
    Haleiwa, Hawaii
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    ----- Original Message of Email 6 of 8 -----
    From: Michael Tsark
    To: Extreme-Scooters
    Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 8:59 PM
    Subject: Change-Of-Plans: I'll take a 2008 Viza Tank 50QT-9 model instead, and right away as soon as possible.
    Hi Dave,
    I was so very close to having the rest of the full $450 in my hand in December but because of some other new unexpected bills it'll now take me way too long to save up another $450 more that I would need to get the Tank Touring 150cc Deluxe Scooter as originally planned, therefore, since you're already holding $1,000 of mine on lay-a-way, I'll settle for a 2008 Viza Tank 50QT-9 model which your website lists for $899. I've looked at every 50cc scooter listed on your home webpage website and in my opinion the Viza Tank 50QT-9 is by far the best 50cc deal for the money, plus, the built-in anti-theft alarm is surely one of its main selling features besides the 3-year warranty, of course. Your website mentions it's available in 4 different colors of either red, yellow, blue, or crimson, but if by remote chance it's also available in Sandy Gold (Champagne) then I prefer the Sandy Gold as 1st-choice, then 2nd-choice is Black if perchance available, but if not then 3rd-choice is Blue, and lastly 4th-choice is Yellow. Your webpage http://www.extreme-scooters.com/Viza_TankQT9.htm mentions "Each Tank 50QT-9 scooters "COMES WITH" 2 remote transmitters along with standard keys for the ignition, gas cap lock, under seat storage compartment "AND STORAGE TRUNK"." Then just a little further down the webpage it shows a picture of a storage trunk and mentions, "The optional storage trunk is available for the 50QT-9." Does this mean that the storage trunk is already included in the price tag and merely "optional" if an owner wants to mount it on the scooter or to leave it off on the side unmounted? Please clarify for me if the storage trunk is indeed already included in the $899 price tag? I NEED the extra storage that the storage tank would provide for when I go grocery shopping.
    Also, I notice the weight of the QT50-9 is listed as 185lbs which is lighter than the listed weight for the 150cc Touring Deluxe (275lbs), and therefore I'm wondering if the lesser weight means it'll be cheaper for me in shipping costs to have the 2008 Viza Tank QT50-9 brought to Hawaii?
    I already left you a phone message but I'll try calling you again later, that is, unless I happen to get an email from you answering my questions. If by chance the $1,000 that's already on lay-a-way is already enough to start sending me a 2008 Viza Tank 50-QT-9 (with storage tank) then by all means, please do so, otherwise, please contact me to let me know if there's still any balance due for a 2008 Viza Tank 50QT-9? Thanks.
    Sincerely,
    Michael Tsark
    Haleiwa, Hawaii
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    ----- Original Message of Email 7 of 8 -----
    From: Extreme-Scooters
    To: Michael Tsark
    Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 7:05 AM
    Subject: Re: Change-Of-Plans: I'll take a 2008 Viza Tank 50QT-9 model instead, and right away as soon as possible.
    The Bill of Sale to Hi is:
    And Please See Bottom for Additional Fees Associated with Layaway and Shipping Overseas.
    EXTREME-SCOOTERS
    Attn: Dave Bergman
    P.O. BOX 6497
    WARNER ROBINS, GA 31095
    TL: (478) 987-8509
    TOLL: (888) 361-2605
    FAX: (478) 987-8518
    BILL OF SALE
    Date: 11/27/2007
    Total includes shipping (in the Continental USA) $1450 for One Brand New, 2008', 150cc, Sandy Gold, Tank Touring Deluxe Scooter.
    Comes with Windshield, Lockable Rear Trunk, Remote, Alarm, and Stereo.
    Sold / Ship
    To:
    Michael Tsark
    Haleiwa, Hawaii
    Michael Tsark
    Signature____________________________________________________
    Thank-You
    Dave Bergman
    Extreme-Scooters
    Dealer Lc: 50003040
    Houston County, Georgia
    Cell (478) 396-6796
    Please include the signed Bill of Sale with your payment, Or Fax it to Us, and allow 6 - 7 business days for shipping to your Residence via http://www.godependable.com/ (DHX Freight to Hi).
    Please mail payment by US Mail with Delivery Confirmation.
    For Direct Bank Transfer the information is below
    (Same Day Funds Transfer, if done before 2 p.m.):
    Direct bank transfer requires that you go to your Bank in person.
    Bank Name: SunTrust Bank
    Bank Address: Warner Robins, GA 31088
    Account Name: Extreme-Scooters
    Account Number: 1000025936278
    Routing Number: 061 000 104
    Also, we will mail your Certificate of Origin Title separately.
    If you have any questions, Please call any time.
    Thank-You
    Dave Bergman
    Extreme-Scooters
    www.extreme-scooters.com
    Cell (478) 396-6796
    Our Physical Address is:
    Extreme-Scooters
    103 Arthur Walter Court
    Warner Robins, GA 31088
    Both Addresses can be used for mailing, but the P.O. Box Address is preferred.
    (In the Next E-Mail will provide our Dealer License and a Copy of the MCO Title Example for a 2007 Tank Touring Deluxe)
    Note:
    Also, Shipping to Hi has an additional overseas fees of $800
    So Total With Shipping to Hi Residential Deliver with Overseas Shipping Fees is
    $2250 For the Touring Deluxe
    Also, all layaway are 30 days Interest Free.
    After 30 days there is an interest of 21.99% and Layaway cancellation fee of 20% for all merchandise that was ordered and shipped to our wearhouse in the USA
    Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living.
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    ----- Original Message of Email 8 of 8 -----
    From: Extreme-Scooters
    To: Michael Tsark
    Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 7:07 AM
    Subject: Re: Change-Of-Plans: I'll take a 2008 Viza Tank 50QT-9 model instead, and right away as soon as possible.
    We Cannot Change a Layaway once it starts
    The Scooter, Touring 150 was already shipped in the Continental USA for $1450 to our wearhouse and is held for you.
    Thank-You
    John
    Extreme Scooters
    Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living.
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    Note to readers: 21.99% criminal interest on $1,000 lay-a-way is $219.90 criminal interest, and a 20% criminal cancellation fee on $1,000 is a criminal $200 percentage on a $1,000 lay-a-way. I refuse to pay Dave Bergman his criminal request of $419.90 based on my $1,000 lay-a-way just to close the contract. I've filed with appropriate agencies including BBB of Central Georgia and will not accept anything less than having my full $1,000 returned me while Dave Bergman can consider himself lucky for having been able to collect banking interest from holding my $1,000 since mid-December 2007 when he had cashed in my personal check of $1,000 for lay-a-way purposes. No legitimate business that I can think of would dare to charge $219.90 for holding someone's $1,000 on lay-a-way, and I would expect any legitimate business to also honor any customer's intent to change their mind about purchasing a different item. Based on all the consumer complaints I've read regarding Dave Bergman's past business practices I have to suspect that he had had some hopes I'd pay him the sudden-last-minute $800 increase along with the new additional $219.90 interest and then he likely would've sent me a cheaper and broken model which he is known to have the reputation of doing to a significant number of others. Buyers Beware, if you've read this report and yet you still want to risk doing business with Extreme-Scooters.com then the freedom of choice is yours. The most I can do is warn you of what to expect.
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    Other consumer complaints against Dave Bergman and John Eline of Extreme Scooters can be found on RipoffReport.com under these report numbers:
    Michael, RipoffReport.com #313846
    Dan, RipoffReport.com #206946
    Brad, RipoffReport.com #286151
    H gay, RipoffReport.com #293925
    James, RipoffReport.com #285443
    Don, RipoffReport.com #204600
    Sandy, RipoffReport.com #169114
    Lee, RipoffReport.com #207492
    Codie, RipoffReport.com #181341
    Gerald, RipoffReport.com #149493
    Beth, RipoffReport.com #169884
    Sarvesh, RipoffReport.com #192641
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    Besides filling out an online quick complaint form with FTC (Federal Trade Commission) and IC3 (IC3 is a partnership between Federal Bureau of Investigation and National White Collar Crime Center), if you feel you are or have been victimized by Extreme Scooters and wish to forewarn as many others as possible from making the same mistake you and I have made then please feel welcome to also post your complaint via the online quick complaint procedures on these other advocacy websites listed below:
    ComplaintsBoard.com;
    ConsumerAffairs.com (...which is separate from GA Gov's Office of Consumer Affairs);
    Consumerist.com;
    Fraud.org;
    My3Cents.com;
    PissedConsumer.com.
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    Thank you.

     
  • Comment #133 (Posted by Charles C)
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    I bought a Roketa Bali 250cc scooter from Dave on Jan 26th. I worried my heart out, because everyone was harping that they got defective scooters from him. Some were even saying, they have not recieved their scooter and had me worried that Dave was going to pull a quicky. Well in Feb. it arrived undamaged and fully assembled: except mirrors, trunk, battery, windshied,.. I had my boys help push it in the house, because it was winter and I have no garage. I put it on the foyer and looked over everything pretty well( coolant hoses, wiring, gaslines). All were correctly put on the scooter. I assembled it and put the battery in a week later. I wanted to make sure everything worked. It did. I sat around about 3 weeks and than it got warm enough to test out. I bought some gasoline, put it in the scooter and started it up. It took a few tries, but did start fine. I adjusted the carburetor and took it for a ride. I stayed down below 30 mph being aware of the break in period. Today, I have had it up to 45 mph and at half throttle and it runs great. I think it will do every bit of 75 to 80 mph if I break it in gently. It does not overheat. I thanked good ole Dave and said it was a great scooter. That I would buy another from him. Changed the oil yesterday to a synthetic oil. No leaks. Great little scoot.
     
  • Comment #134 (Posted by eve)
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    i can hardly wait till i get mine....i hope i have the same good luck as you...HAPPY SCOOTERING!!!
     
  • Comment #135 (Posted by Sonny)
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    Thank you! It is very helpful!
     
  • Comment #136 (Posted by Jackie)
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    Thank you for taking the time to capture in detail the set-up process. It was very helpful.
     
  • Comment #137 (Posted by Melinda)
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    I am so glad that I saw this article of yours and read it as my husband and I BOTH ordered one and are expecting in a few days. Thank you so much. I wasn't aware we had to a tire on too :(
     
  • Comment #138 (Posted by karen)
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    Great info....gives me some perspective on what I'll have to do if I order online. Seeing as how I don't know any "shade tree" mechanics, I'll be on the lookout for a retailer where I can buy on already assembled.
     
  • Comment #139 (Posted by Charles C)
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    Update: My bali 250cc scooter is running great still. I have had it up to 75 mph on a slight up hill grade and 80 on a down hill slope. It rides good. I have been riding it on short trips, like to fill up with gas 15 miles away. Using back highways to go 50 to 55 mph. It done that easy. On the 14th of May, I decided to add miles to the trip. Went from Slater MO to Columbia MO ( a 60 mile trip one way to see how it would do). I rode down worried that I would have to pull over and cool the engine due to talk of over heating. But the engine stayed between hot and cool on the temperature guage, so I rode straight through. I was on a 55 mph highway all the way and only 2 cars passed on the way down to Columbia in 60 miles. On the way back, I was passed by 3 cars in 60 miles. I cheched the oil level and it was still full and a gold like color. Checked the antifreeze level today and it was still full. I put on it 800 km since buying it. Scooters take alot of maintenance and inspecting before riding. Online Dealers are cheap compared to buying from a local dealer. The best advice I can give, is buy one if you enjoy tinkering. If not well buy from a local dealer but they will charge alot steeper price. I am still learning to be a scooter mechanic. I learn as I go. I have changed oil, oil filter, spark plug inspection, changed coolant, checked tire pressure, changed gear oil, and inpect the scooter before riding, adjusted carburetor.. But I still am learning to take carburetor apart and clean it, bleeding the brakes, changing pads and rotors, ect..
    I am no better than alot of you when it comes to tearing down a scooter. Some things scare me to do, but if not done the scooter will not run correctly or even may stop working. Maintenance is the key to long life. Safety.
     
  • Comment #140 (Posted by boris)
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    hey i just bought a tank 250 and have had some mechanical problems but nothing serious. just thought i'd say people like this that posted this article are awesome.. chinese scooters are worth the money and you do need the help of a mechanic once in a while.. just like everything else your money buys... great article
     
  • Comment #141 (Posted by aprorizo@yahoo.com)
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    great job thanx a lot!!!!
     
  • Comment #142 (Posted by glenn)
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    waiting for 150 tank touring excellent info.
     
  • Comment #143 (Posted by Bill)
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    I appreciate this review that you did as I am going to probally buy the same bike and reading this has made this wrench challenged wanna be scooter head a lot more confident that I can pull it off.

    Thanks much,
    Bill
     
  • Comment #144 (Posted by Don)
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    Good down to earth comments. I liked the step-by-step approach.
     
  • Comment #145 (Posted by Edward Franklin)
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    I purchased a 150 tank, what a mistake. I have needed parts for over a year now and can't get tank headquarters to respond to my problem. I have tried dealerships and they tell me the part's have to come from tank. Just a another big run around that is all you get from this company. Dont waste your money the tank 150 is not worth the money or the time. Niether is the company.
     
  • Comment #146 (Posted by Jamie)
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    Thanks man because of your comments and walk through I am definatly ordering this one now. thanks alot bud.
     
  • Comment #147 (Posted by Sharon)
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    Need to know where the gas line attaches. Cannt seem to locate where it goes.
     
  • Comment #148 (Posted by Errol)
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    Now that you've had it for awhile, what's your opinion of it?

    And when you mention getting it street legal do you mean licensed or is there more to it?

    Thank you for taking the time to help the next person out with the assembly process. It took you time to do that and anyone that reads this should greatly appreciate the effort.
     
  • Comment #149 (Posted by garfil)
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    This aricle came in real handy
     
  • Comment #150 (Posted by Ron)
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    Thanks for the article. This will be a great help if I ever get one. what's this I read about having an authorized mechanic assemble the scooter to get the warranty??

    Thanks, Ron
     
  • Comment #151 (Posted by Charles C)
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    Thought I would write more. Have a little over 1100 miles on my Bali 250 today. Has not leaked one drop of oil, antifreeze never boiled over, had to change the fuel filter which cost $8 at local Orchelns store( a lawn mower fuel filter). Still runs great and no major problems. Really good maintenance is the key to keeping it running so well. I am very pleased with my investment. A Honda, Suzuki, in the same size scooter would cost $5000 + and I gave $1730 delivered for a nice scooter. They are worth the money.
     
  • Comment #152 (Posted by Rich)
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    Just read your account of putting your bike together. Very informative and enjoyable! Thanks.
     
  • Comment #153 (Posted by Julie)
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    Very interesting article. My bike was bought at a dealership and came already assembled. How-be-it...the mechanics weren't the best. My gas gauge isn't working and my light for the right turn signal on the dash isn't working. I can't find the right gear oil to change out the break-in gear oil. Any help you could give me to fix it myself would be greatly appreciated. No one around where I reside seems to know anything about them. I love the gas mileage...I get 120 mpg.

    Thanks,
    Julie G.
     
  • Comment #154 (Posted by LeRoy)
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    THANKS much, John ... My 250 scooter will be delivered in a few days, and your comments and pictures will be a great help. You did a good public service... all the best to you ... LeRoy ...
     
  • Comment #155 (Posted by Chuck Reed)
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    Excellent article, very well written and with the pictures excellent documentation, thanks alot.
     
  • Comment #156 (Posted by Steph)
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    Hi John......I have the exact scooter. It is a great toy. But, I really need a owner's manual for the bike. Can you tell me where I can purchase or download one. You have to have plenty of Beer on hand to have your friend assemble and you take picture....Go Friend. Great Job!!!!! Looks good
     
  • Comment #157 (Posted by Ron)
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    This was a great article adn there are plenty of great comments. I bought from Happy Scooters.com and a "buddy" wrecked it without even riding it. So I got a quote from the parts manager that said damages totalled $1700! Total body kit, trunk, stem and controller arm are bent. So I bought a second one from a friend and plan to switch parts to get a complete one soon. (The muffler bolts came off and the muffler soon followed).
    I have rode almost 4000 miles on the orange one and 1300 on the black one that is damaged, so it makes sense to switch forks rather than mufflers for the one with less mileage at this point.
    I did take the initial 900 miles slow (as possible) and thankfully, have been riding at max speeds ranging from 60-75mph depending on conditions. These are great fun and great on gas. my main concern is if parts for one chinese scooter are interchangable with another. They all seem the same if even with different names, and I have found a few sites online that sell aftermarket parts. I think it does work and am looking forward to next summer really tricking my scooter out as I just found a bore kit to up from 150-170cc!
    Many have asked questions that were answered in the earlier comments. There is also a great site called http://www.scootusa.com/index.htm that has the largest selection of parts I have been able to find over four months of scooting.
    Feel free to write me if you have any experience swapping out front ends, or if you want a scooter pal in NYC to chat with!
    Happy Scooting All!
     
  • Comment #158 (Posted by hank grossman)
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    HELLO I JUST BOUGHT A 2006 TANK 250TOURING SCOOTER I THINK I MADE A BIG MISTAKE IT ONLY HAS 85 MILES ON IT I TOOK IT HOME AND NEVER MADE IT THE LIGHTS WENT OUT ON THE WAY HOME THE BATTERY WENT DEAD THE NEXT DAY SO I HAD TO BUY A BATERY SO I PUT 65 MILES ON IT AND IT BROOKE DOWN AGAIN NOW THE LIGHTS BLENK ON AND OFF WHEN YOU GIVE IT GAS ONE STAYS ON ALL THE TIME AND WHEN I TOOK IT OUT FOR A RIDE THE OTHER NIGHT I HAD TO JUMP START IT HAS VERY POOR LIGHTING I WOULD NOT RECOMEND ANYONE RIDEING ON OF THESE AT NIGHT IT RUNS GOOD UNTILL YOU TURN ON THE LIHGT AND THAT SWITCH JUST BROKE SO I THINK I BOUGHT A PILE OFF SH----T
     
  • Comment #159 (Posted by rick)
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    i bought a 150cc scooter and has a hose coming from top front of motor and i have no idea were it goes anyone have a idea!!!!!!!
     
  • Comment #160 (Posted by john stanton)
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    Hi I just bought the same bike literally a few minutes ago and I really enjoyed your site and pics.

    Would it be possible for you to email me or call me ?
    (562) 787-2222

    I sure would like to chat with you about your experiences and opinions about the Tank Touring Scooter

    Thank You Sincerely

    John Seal Beach CA
     
  • Comment #161 (Posted by john stanton)
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    Hi I just bought the same bike literally a few minutes ago and I really enjoyed your site and pics.

    Would it be possible for you to email me or call me ?
    (562) 787-2222

    I sure would like to chat with you about your experiences and opinions about the Tank Touring Scooter

    Thank You Sincerely

    John Seal Beach CA
     
  • Comment #162 (Posted by John Secada)
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    For all of you folks that are looking for parts for your scooters, I've been ordering all my parts from http://www.scooterpartspro.com. They are very reasonable and they will search for the part since they have access to all the major manufacturers.
     
  • Comment #163 (Posted by scooters)
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    You have a nice article about on how to assemble your scooters
     
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